I´m impressed how UFC can sell tickets with crap like Cain vs. Fatman

Fair enough. I can live with that.

 

Now see, that's what I was wondering. It seems like Brock didn't want to waste anytime on easy fights.

I guess it paid off considering he's fighting for the UFC HW Belt in 3 fights.

 

Come on down. I can set it up and we will film it.

 

ok. I'll be right down.

 

Haha, I was just kidding I was just going Karl on you for a second.

You're on thin ice gladys!

 

As will just about every MMA fighter not named Fedor.

MMA is very different than boxing in the sense that most fighters don't run off 15-20 fight win streaks. If you win 5 in a row in MMA, that's quite an accomplishment.

TFK

 

that's what I was doing too:laughing:

 

That doesn't speak highly of the of the skill level of the sport IMO.

 

It speaks more to the glove size than the skill level in my opinion.

That is a general opinion. Obviously there are alot of chins left up in the air in MMA. Striking, especially from a defensive standpoint, is lacking in MMA still.

 

How so?

TFK

 

Champions have been taken out by no names. Randy Couture a hall of famer is something like 15-8. That's a crappy win/loss record.

 

That probably has a little to do with it too. Good point. I do think that if people are getting KO'd by strikes more often than not, then stand up should be a primary focus. I don't see any high level stand up fighters in MMA. The boxing styles I've seen are amateurish at best.

 

That just shows that MMA is much more mutlifaceted than Boxing. In boxing, you only have to be good at a few things. In MMA, there are so many more skills that you need to be proficient in, and since it's damn near impossible to be an expert in all of them, you're more likely to see upsets.

That makes the sport much more exciting, in my opinion. There are very few 'gimmes' in MMA.

TFK

 

Oh, I agree with you for sure. Obviously there are no submissions in boxing (unless your name is DLH and you're fighting Manny).

That's why the UFC business model works so well with the "parity" of the sport. If a 70% winning percentage was acceptable in boxing, there would be many more household names out there. I wish that was the case but it will never be that way. Boxing will always be a specialized elitist sport.

Did you catch my post regarding my UFC watching experience at a bar from Saturday?

 

Actually yes, when Vitali was a kickboxer, he got stretched by Pele Reid. Dennis Stojnic trains with Team Golden Glory, which is led by Semmy Schilt, a many time world kickboxing champion.

Stojnic is a tough guy to look good against. Velaquez did just fine. You're forgetting it is not a boxing match. These guys have to do more than box; they have to practice kicking, submissions, wrestling, submission defense, and takedown defense.

A boxer would hammer one of these guys in a boxing match, but this isn't a boxing match; a boxer's upright posture, particularly an upright boxer like Vitali, would get taken down rather quickly.

And even Vitali's biggest fans would admit that he's an upright boxer who isn't particularly known for his footwork.

 

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SOmething that hasn;t been mentioned about Lesnar. He fights tough opposition because he wants to. However he also fights tough opposition because the UFC wants him to. For a MMA fighter he makes very good money, they aren't going to let him fight cans making what he makes.

BTW-Darchinian-Arce was more entertaining to me than any fight on the UFN card. Although I will say Neer-Danzig was close.

 

Seriously? Boxing is my first love but that fight was boring as hell. It was one sided, clumsily fought, and absolutely dull.

 

i dunno how you can say that.....up until half way at least it was competitive and fast paced.....both guys punch hard so you couldn't afford to look away.....towards the end it was getting a little repetitive and one-sided but with Donaire KO in the back of my mind i gave Arce a chance every second he was still standing up

I was flicking between both cards and enjoyed the boxing one a lot more......the cheif support bout was a good'n too

 

I thought Vic/Arce was ok. I thought the same about the UFN card. I am becoming a bigger fan of Lauzon every time I see him fight. I think the biggest difference is UFN was on basic cable. When was the last time you remember an even decent boxing card on basic cable? TNF?:dunno: The exposure that UFN got being on SPIKE is ten times that of being on a premium channel such was the case of Vic/Arce. Boxing isn't doing itself any favors. UFC gets it.

El Terrible, you were kidding about Vitali, right?:atu:

 

I remember Karl trying to get me to come spar Anne Wolf because I said no woman my size would whoop me. I still believe that too! Anne Wolf is no ordinary woman though. She's kind of scary. hahaha! ::

 

Wow, I am again in the minority it seems. I didn't give Arce a single round and didn't think it was competitive (aside from the punchers chance you mentioned).

I think my love of the subtleties of boxing is waning a bit.

 

As sad as it is, I'm liking MMA more than Boxing these days. I do still enjoy boxing more, but there is hardly anything to look forward too. MMA even if a fight is a so called mis-match, you never know what could happen. I think that is why it stays interesting to me. Anyone can beat anyone on any given day.

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

sad to hear....

....i didn't score the fight, but i'd have a tough time giving Arce more than one round, Darchynian edged the earlier rounds and dominated the latter....all in all, it was a fun fight though