You would think that after Pav gets by Rubio, he'd FINALLY fight Abraham, but no... after Rubio... Arum plans to match Pavlik with DUDDY in June.:doh: That is, if bum ass Duddy gets by Vanda... which aint a sure thing. I hope Vanda beats him, so we'll be saved from seeing this disgrace of a fight. I'm slowly starting to lose my fandom of Kelly Pavlik. He made me lose ALOT of respect after he acted like a bitch after the Hopkins fight, refusing to give B-Hop any credit... now he's ducking the only legit challenge in his weight class.
Pavlik beat Taylor who is better than Abraham. He also just fought Hopkins who at whatever age is better than Abraham. I don't see any reason why Pavlik would be scared of Arum. Arum on the other hand has wanted to match Pavlik with all the scrubs at 160 for a while. Duddy, Rubio, Andy Lee. I could care less about Pavlik fighting them but It's nothing new. Arum has been trying to make these fights for a while. Besides Abraham is not exactly setting the 160 division on fire.
Arum's been waiting to match Pavlik up with Duddy for a long time. Abraham/Pavlik better happen in 09.
If his continues to fight people like Rubio and Duddy, then I'll no longer be a fan. But don't be too hard on him after the hopkins fight. It was his FIRST loss, and a fuckign decisive one at that, that's going to be a hard pill to swallow, just put yourself in his shoes.
duddy is an easy fight to make. why not milk a few millions if the fight will sell well especially in AC or NY? is abraham willing to accept anything less than parity?
Abraham, save for Miranda who should have probably won the 1st time, fought the biggest line up of bums, has been and never were outside of Erdei and Sturm ( gee, see a patter here ). In fact, Rubio could very well be the second toughest opponent on his resume if he was the one fighting him ( Eastman was over the hill and many had him winning, never seen Gardner fight but I hear he is not bad too but again, many had him winning ). No one should claim he is being ducked. Sad as I had hopes for Abraham but it turns out he is another unambitious slob happy to pack in the $$$$ vs second tier opponent while claiming the big names avoid him.
when Arum has his heart set on making a particular fight, it takes a lot for him to become disinterested in making it. Judah-Mayweather, Cotto-Margarito are examples that immediately spring to mind, but i am sure there are plenty more.......add this one to the list.
Agreed 100%. I hate Abraham, his resume is shit, he desire to fight the best is shit. I also thought Miranda and Eastman beat him. However, Smurf still presents a stiffer challenge than the likes of Duddy and Rubio, thus - Pavlik SHOULD fight him really.
The middleweight division is so crap, that you don´t really know, who is ducking whom. If Sturm, Abraham or Pavlik don´t fight each other, they are basically limited to fighting crap. You can´t truly seperate yourself by fighting other stiff competition, because there is none. Therefore you can´t really tell, which champion is comfortable to sit on his butt. Nobody knows how good Mundine will be at 160, which basically leaves the winner of Winky/Williams as the only credible challenger (without a belt).
agREED... But that's All the MORE Reason why the Guys @ the Top SHOULD Want to Face Each Other... REED:hammert:
More than once. They allegedly made multiple offers to Sturm and want to fight Pavlik before Abraham moves up to 168. Now it´s tough to say how realistic a fight between Pavlik and Abraham is, because of the finanical side of the deal, but HBO has put up a lot of money for far crappier match-ups. On the other hand can you blame Pavlik for wanting to fight Duddy, when it is an easy (similar or better) payday?
Especially when the beloved Hops, who's on a 'personal retribution' mission from a scarring loss to a previous white opponent, cant even contain himself to just 'pretend' to be genuine post-victory, and makes a few more racial comments.
What the hell does "making offers to Sturm" have to do with what Abraham is willing to do to get Pavlik in the ring? What offer did Abraham make Pavlik?
Did he refuse to give Hopkins "any credit"? Can't say I took notice of it, if he didn't. Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised to see Arum/Top Rank get protective with Pavlik after his loss. Even before, though, he only seemed to be giving lip service to an Abraham fight.
I think abraham and pavlik are serious about fighting each other, so are their promoters. The Duddy fight was something Arum talked about since Pavlik came to the spotlight. He knows there's good money in that fight. The one doing the shameless ducking here is Felix Sturm. He will keep fighting bums until he retires and will claim to only lose once, since the DLH fight was a robbery.
It was a general observation about the ambitions of Abraham. As far as I can tell that is the only serious offer made by either Abraham, Pavlik or Sturm for a unification bout. Felix Sturm has already lined up his next opponent: A) Koji Sato B) Omar Lazile C) Mbane Mzankana Gues which one does reall exist and fights at middleweight. ::
dsimon writes: Before the Hopkins fight most everybody but a few would have Abraham as a supreme underdog to Pavlik. Abraham looked better and Pavlik looked worse and you know that Aram and company are thinking about what a loss to Abraham would do to Kelly's career ambitions at this point. Abraham's perspective is such where one would expect him to want to go after Pavlik. It would be a good time for Abraham to fight Pavlik and so naturally he wants the fight. IMO Abraham is a lot better than people have thought, it would be a great fight and I hope it happens.
Even before the Hopkins fight, I thought Kelly was a 60-40 favourite versus Abraham at worst, and said as such here. Arthur is underrated, especially here, and Kelly had become quite overrated by almost all (myself included). That said, I'm not sure how likely that fight is to happen. Abraham is the only real live match-up for Pavlik at 160 and I suspect Arum will want no part of it after the Hopkins debacle. Too much risk for not a lot of reward from their perspective. Bums like Duddy might just be the order of the day from here on in, sadly. MTF
No. That's bull-shit. He clearly said in the post-fight interview that Hopkins taught him a lesson. I don't know how that's not giving him credit. The fact that Pavlik was sick and had a shoulder injury doesn't mean he didn't give Hopkins credit. He did. And he did so in public, on TV. I don't know what people expected him to do other than what he did. What'd you want X, for Pavlik to sck Hopkins dick in deference to his performance? He gave Hopkins plenty of credit.
Ah, there's so many things I despise about the twisted 'American way' from it's distinctive social double standards to it's extreme sociopathic driven capitalist methods....I do feel Im starting to indirectly IRK 'patriots' around here with my inability to either conform or let things slide, I mean it's Bernard Hopkins, the most notorious, classless, bitter piece of shit when it comes to losses in boxing, and with Hopkins taunting patronising, racially supreme things after the fight, despite the euphoria of his victory, it more or less further exposed how much the Calzaghe experience SEARED his pathetic arse, 'VINDICATION BABY'...so should it really be expected of Pavlik to pay Hops compliments?...
dsimon writes: Thank you daddy would have been sufficient in a capitolist patriotic Sociopathic driven sort of... twisted way. You should conform more and let things slide comrade do you think we have a double standard or something? Hopkins went to jail and it was transformative... jail is the ultimate marxist guerella camp... a place where Bernard learned how to function and fight against the man yet you would begrudge him in your twisted ideology? Shame a shame a shame on a you. :kidcool:
True, for the first paragraph. No, for the second, jail didnt gift him with his beautiful soul, that is the result of simple hereditary linage, with perhaps some environmental nurturing, jail taught him to have to be more elusive, to impliment his gift of sociopathy in ways of which to flourish within the American capitalist system, it's there he can meet on a common ground as,.. American capitalism is 'Made for us, by us'.
