Klitschko-Haye in doubt.....are the brothers making silly demands?

Riiiight...

Dude, YOU'RE the 1 Applying SELDOM USED "Logic" to David Haye...Like REED Said PAGES AGO, it's COMMON for Reigning Champions to Get IMMEDIATE Title Shots when they MOVE UP...

David Haye's a Potentially MARKETABLE Commodity in an Otherwise MUNDANE Division, N Addition to the 1st Point REED Made in this Particular Post....

REED:hammert:

 

It's simply not always "common" for cruiserweight champions to get "immediate" title shots...at least not against a "recognized" number one heavyweight champion.

 

All I know is if Haye vs Wlad is made, I will most definitely watch it.

Haye will get KO'd I'm sure of it and I can't wait to see it.

 

dsimon writes:

Hard to hold my etongue... But this is ridiculous. Everybody seems to understand the angle ot a Haye Klit fight but people who do not wish to accept it.. You know what? thats ok too. One could say with some authority, fuck it in my book you earn your dues and fight a few times in the division... that would be an opinion held.

The fact is that HBO is irrelevant in some respects. While the brits are not perhaps as big on the heavyweight division there is no reason to believe that they would not get behind Haye for this fight with KLitschko.

Toney is a great fighter who made himself relevant in a weak division and is proof that sometimes you need to do things differnently to determine who gets a crack.

I love the heayweight division it is, in good times the only boxing I care about and it is common sense to me that the best fight to be made is Haye and one Vlad. Vitalie would manhandle him right now and a smart journeyman could derail Haye wich is probably what 'vlad is hoping for.

Wich sucks because everyone knows that Vlad and Vitalie have a plan... too bad it is more fot for insomiacs than boxing fans though.

 

dsimon writes:

You live in Santa Cruz with a bunch of Hippies nobody watches boxing! Professional tree huggin is alive and well however. ::

Sorry Z could not resist.

 

Would U DEFINITELY Watch Wlad vs. a More "Relevant" Heavyweight???.....



REED:mj:

 

I will watch Wlad vs Whoever he fights next. I like the Klitschkos.

 

Probaby the best point you've made in this thread.

 

dsimon writes:

I would name it "Lamon Brewster syndrome" basically Brewster at his best showed a tremendous ability... His fight with Golata was enough to make those of us committed to the heavies water in the mouth. But he could not sustain that against a boxer and eventually it made him a weak fighter. By the time he rematched with Vlad the blueprint was out and he was not much of a threat to anyone really.

With Haye he needs an opportunity to do what he does best and to do it when he can... he is young explosive and can punch. I don't think he will benefitt from learning the sweetness of the sweet science, I don't see him improving much frankly. He will punch guys daylights out until he is too slow and unable. In the meantime he most certainly could be outboxed and then Vlad would have avoided him.

I think most boxers in the division could probably beat Haye easier than Vlad could handle him. Toney for example, or any of the Eastern Euro somnabulists. The big guys can't get out of the way though! Valuev,Vlad Mccline are vulnerable... though not Vitalie.

 

And yet the notion of putting Haye in a similar fight makes some of you scream and wail.

 

dsimon writes:

Well I think so, though others probably think differntly . Haye is a one dimensional guy. He punches real hard and makes em cross eyed. He is no Mayweather, he is not a young fighter who will become a superb boxer, or like some of the other cruisers who made the jump as boxers (Michael Moore Holyfield). He is a novelty. And like Sanders who I think was a much better fighter than Haye will ever be, even if he KO's Vlad he won't go very far when the division gets stronger again.

But he is relevant now in this division and he is imo the best fight and has a mandate as a champion in another division. It also bugs the shit out of me that Vlad is scared of him and can duck him so easily to fight a fat scrub like Chris nipples.

 

forget Haye. Klitschko should fight Louis Amundson next.

 

*Lights up bong*

Wait....what were you saying?


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I will make you look like my bitch if you have the juevos to take your friend's place the 28th, since "she" obviously has no plans to take me on, I'll crush you.

That being said dear, if a fighter were judged on physiques, half of them would have never been world champions.

Physiques don't have shit to do with boxing, have you ever seen Arreola get tired?

Don't underestimate this man fightbeat posters, he is a pure warrior, despite what some folks will type about his physique, but won't say it to his face, like this last jerk here, "Neil."

 

The reason why Id like Haye to 'PROVE' more, (and certainly not in the Floyd to Margarito sense) before jumping in with Wlad, is because it's a BIG jump up from cruiserweight to heavyweight, unlike some other divisions where fighters should've started thier careers a mere 7lbs north anyway,... the thing that seems to be the key to success in cruiserweights moving up is obviously durability, and the stamina to deal with the extra weight and strength of your larger opponent, two things that are EXTREMELY suspect about Haye to say the least,.. yes Wlad is chinny, but he's only chinny for a heavyweight, Haye is chinny for a cruiserweight, there's up to a good 60 + lbs difference in size between the power ratio there, and there's also months and months between title fights,.. and I dont want to see another wipeout,... yes, it will be fun watching certain forum members squirm and cry,.. but Id like to see the heavyweight champion PRESSED, I want it to be worthwhile,.. not someone who could be toppled over with one stiff jab.

As for the hype, the shit-talk, popularity polls, the sexy physique, etc......if that was what mattered in boxing we wouldnt need the action in the ring at all, just a good dolly magazine and an episode of jerry Springer should quench the thirst.

 

dsimon writes:

Great post rippa I don't see eye to eye with you but you make some sense.. for a change :bears:::

Yes the uncertianty be damned!! it is all so true but Haye would have these problems and questions to be answered against any heavyweight. What I fear is Haye fighting a tune up against a guy and showing that he passes the tests but loses a close fight.... Oh lets say agains Jameel Mccline for example. Where does that leave him now?

I don't see Vlad as being dominant I guess. I just see piss poor competition that the Klitschkos are railroading, although I think Vitalie is more dominant than Vitalie.

If Haye gets wiped he can go back down to cruiserweight.

 

Wlad beat only 2 guys in the top 10 (Peter who put him on his ass 3 times and Ibragimov who was made in order for him) yet his gay fans, no doubt in awe of his hot body, want to claim he cleaned the division:notallthere::notallthere:

 

Out of his recent opponents Thompson and Brock, they dropped when Wlad destroyed them.

And btw you are the one who wants Wlad to "look better" in his fights:kick:

 

I agree that we've already got a champ with a hot body... so why the whyning about this issue?

 

It will be a tough call as David Haye may have an hotter body

 

Doug Fischer:

 

good.....hopefully it will be in London so i'll go.....but then again, hearing the german crowd stunned into silence once again would be pretty cool :kidcool:

 

Fightnews:

 

That wouldn´t happen, if I could be there, but I´ll be in Austria over that weekend.

 

if it is somewhere i can get a cheap flight to, i may go....i am just glad that it is happening. I think the Haymaker has a good shot.

 

Right Klitschko for Haye, wrong Klitschko for Arreola

 

yep, and he's got to get through McCline first....i'm not certain that he will

 

I'm not sure why there's so much belief in McCline.

I don't think that highly of Arreola, but he'd have to be worse than I think he is to lose to McCline.

 

He's ok for the first 3 rounds,.. then he becomes Shannon Briggs without the threat of power.

 

it is not so much a belief in McCline.....i just don't get it with Arreola....i think it is 50-50