Felix Trinidad wants Kelly Pavlik fight @165

While I think it is a mistake for Tito to return again to the face Pavlik, the truth is that Tito hits harder than Taylor and Taylor ALMOST KTFO Pavlik in their first fight. Tito will always have the puncher's chance.

 

Tito won easily the first four rounds, but after Jones hurt him, it was just target practice.

 

I don't think at 160, let alone 165 that Tito hits nearly as hard as Taylor.

When's the last time he had a significant win since the Hopkins fight, let alone a knock-out. Oh wait. He kncoked out a completely shot Cherifi and TKO'd Mayorga fighting 10ounds north of ever having won a significant fight.

I think it's naive tothink Tito wasn't wrapping his hands illegaly. He's not been the same fighter since the Hopkins fight.

He had to hit Mayorga with everything but the kitchen sink to stop him and in the end it was a bodyshot that ended it. Long gone is the one punch destruction that Tito's over-wrapped and water soaked taped hands dished out to his opponents (see Reid, Vargas and Joppy fights). And have you ever seen ODH run like he did against Trinidad? Clealry he was experiencing a power he wouldn't dare put himself in harm's way of. For another example see Margarito/Cotto in which a fighter known for his savage aggression never stopped moving for more than 2 seconds in the face of Margarito's brick hands.

It's obvious. Tito has boxing talent. But without his wraps, he needs to fight at 160 or below. Anything above that is a money making endeavor with no expectation of winning.

 

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that fight was nothing more than an sparring session that people payed to see....I mean come on...Jones could have put on the pressure at any time and Ko Trinidad...but he did....thats a FIX fight. Both guys probably talk it over..lets both make money....charge $10,000 for ringside seats...$55 for PPV......maybe get another title shot..or a few more money fight out of this sparring.....let get that money...chavo....dinero...yes...SI...

 

I know. Isn't it funny and ironic that Tito has better boxing skills than RJJ?

 

Tito did look good the first few rounds. If I remember correctly even Stewart was very impressed. Tito unleashed a very good body attack but was unable to hurt Jones in any way. Either way it was a UD for Jones.

 

Point is, before he was hurt he was outboxing the pot-shotting and cowardly RJJ. Tito has impressiveboxing skills. The power he exhibited when he was cheatingovershadowed this, but nontheless, Trinidad has good timing, good punch slection, can fight moving backwards or forwards, and has an excellent jab.

 

I agree. Tito was also using his jab allot. He looked very good but it was apparent his body frame did not belong @170. RJ looked much bigger and stronger.

 

Trinidad may be the most overrated fighter of the last 20 years

I hope he comes back and gets knocked stupid

 

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard!

No fighter with "IMPRESSIVE BOXING SKILLS" would ever be so utterly mystified by a simple jab and a little bit of lateral movement as Trinidad was in all of his fights against the BEST opponents (Hoya, Hopkins, Winky)

Trinidad was always an impressive puncher wether in single shots or in combination, thats all... that and a big heart

Furthermore, this is the ROY JONES OF TODAY he fought... arguably, MORE shot than himself!!! Winning a few early rounds against THAT roy Jones is not some great accomplishment

 

It is obvious that the mere mention of the name Trinidad brings a lot of passionate comments from some posters. :boohoo:All I did was describe what happened in that fight: Tito won easily the first fourth rounds, got hurt and Roy remembered that he had a pair after that and just toyed with Tito for the rest of the bout. 8-4 Jones UD.

 

Jones whipped Trinidad's ass that's what happened. The only reason Trinidad made it 12 was Jones carried him.

 

because he is so grotesquely overrated

also, I wasnt talking to you, I quoted Double L

 

That's where you are wrong my friend. A prime Trinidad @ Welter was more than just a puncher. Tito was a good boxer/puncher until he fell in love with his power. Get your facts straight!

Let's take a look at Tito's losses.

1. Hopkins- One of the greatest middleweights of all-time. Nuff said. No fighter in recent time has been able to beat this guy convincingly.

2. Wright- Another former P4P fighter that can give anyone hell with his defense. His most recent loss came from B-Hopkins.

3. Roy Jones- Past his prime but Tito didnt belong anywhere near 170.

 

If Tito cant make 160 then he should stay retired. He's at least 200 pounds these days.

 

What do you think Tito would have done to Kasim Ouma and Cory Spinks at 160? But yet you don't think Tito has more power then Taylor. Come on Double L you are smarter then this. I'll Holla 5000

 

Oh yeah for all the power that Taylor supposedly has when was the last time he had a KO?

Now I'm a big time Tito fan. I think that he is prolly the greatest PR fighter of all-time. But if he is serious about competing in boxing he needs to either get in 100 percent or stay retired. He should have taken a fight right after the RJ beat down if he was serious. I'll Holla 5000

 

1. Trinidad beat ODH -he neraly ran him out of the ring; of course,his hands were probably illegally wrapped but it's a complete myth that he was befuddled or clowned by ODH. ODH hit him with nothing of substace and tried to steal a decision with his hand-speed.

2. Trinindad lost decisively to Hopkins but if you watch Hopkins' career in its entirety you'll see very few fighters who landed as many clean shots as Tito did against Hopkins. Problem (for Tito anyways) was that he didn't have his hand-wraps.

3. You're claiming that Trinidad is a horrible boxer because he's lost fights to not only the best fighters in the sport, but guys who in most cases were much bigger than him?

4. News for you: RJJ is not shot. It's just that his losses to Tarver forced him to finally take on real competition if he hoped to regain his status. What we found out in the process is that RJJ was never as good as people thought he was. This is what PBF is trying to avoid. When a supposed elite fighter loses a fight, he's forced to once again step up the level of his competition if he hopes to restore his status (see Vic Darchinyan). PBF isn't prepared to do that - he'd rather rest on his laurels and allow the myth of his invincibility to perservere. Problem is, he didn't have as much money as thought he'd need - and so he'll come back and my guess is be handed his first loss with additional ones to follow.

 

Not without his handwraps, no.

Just compare Hopkin's fear of Taylor's power versus the apparent contempt he had for Tito's.

If only by virtue of being bigger than Tito, believe me: Taylor hits harder than Tito.

He also has faster hands which contributes to his superior power.

Do you think Tito has a chance in hell of hurting Pavlik? Well, Taylor damn near stopped him. Think about it from that point of view.

 

God, you're so ridiculous.

You don't even pretend to make just a little bit of sense behind your biased points of view. You like a fighter then yeah, he's past his best even if he's just 30, he had a bad night because he was clearly sick or the opponent won because the ref didn't enforce the rules but if you hate the fighter then you don't mind dropping stupid, senseless comments like this one. I'm not even a fan of Roy but if you're thickheaded enought to bullshit yourself to believe Roy is not absolutely shot and has been losing, taking beatings just laying on the ropes and not throwing punches because he raised his opposition level then you deserve all the shit you get around here.

 

Again, Trinidad would force a stoppage on the ropes in about 7 rounds if he has anything left in the tank. Pavlik is there to get hit and the styles favor Trinidad.

2001 Trinidad knocks out 2008 Pavlik 10 times out of 10.

 

Bullshit. Tito is there to get hit as well and other than Hopkins and Roy (In which he got beat up) Pavlik would be the biggest fighter he fought and Tito isn't used to it. Pavlik is taller, stronger and hits harder. Pavlik wins.

 

AGREE>...

 

I think you or someone else mentioned before that stylistically Pavlik's style favors Tito. I agree that the prime version of Tito ko's Pavlik but we are not in 2001 we are in 2009 and Tito has been very inactive. I dont want to see it. I hope Tito stays away!

 

Pavlik's defense will be his worst enemy against a prime Tito. Sorry but Pavlik is TOOOOOO SLOW and open to beat a prime Tito.

 

You Tito fans act like any fighter that's not a pure boxer with great defense is a style that favors Tito. Pavlik is an offensive machine as well, only stronger and more powerful. They both will go forward and brawl, the bigger one will win. Can anyone really see Tito chopping down Taylor like Pavlik did?

 

Say what you guys want but Tito has one the best left hooks in the business and if he catches anyone flush with that shot they will be put to sleep. I'll Holla 5000