Is this the end of Diaz as a top fighter?

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Oh no, little mermaid, he avoided ONE black fighter, Peter Jackson.

Get your facts straight.

Still, he lost his title like a man and didn't quit.

 

Maybe because Peter Jackson was the only black heavyweight that the white men paid ANY ATTENTION to

You honestly thnk there was only ONE black fighter who could have beaten him back then? NONSENSE

Boxing before the 1930s in general should have a big asterisk next to most of it because a substantial group of talented fighters were largely shut out of the picture

You must be a big Gene Tunney fan, too. He was another racist coward

 

I think you are referring to Harry Wills, princess.

If you do your homework (which you obviously have not) you will see that Tex Rickard tried to get Wills and Tunney to fight, but Harry priced himself out of the fight and wound up with a hundred percent of nothing.

Had Harry taken the fight and won, (which is very doubtful as the great Wills was already past it) Dempsey would have been forced to fight Wills, instead, Tunney stepped in.

Tunney was ready and willing, "The Black Panther" was not.

 

There's no reason not to think a rematch with marquez wouldn't be awesome a year from now. JMM will be older and Juan was in this one every step. I know that's your boy Karl...and he went out Man style last night. Salud to him.

 

Which is Actually Quite ALARMING, Considering his FACE 1st Style...



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HA! What a joke! Talk about revisionist history! What are you, Tunney's biographer? The fact that Wills was basically used up by the time that opportunity arose speaks volumes about why Tunney was so willing to fight him and it also explains why Wills wanted good money for the match, since he was at the end and hadnt exactly made a killing fighting Sam Langford, Joe Jeannette and Sam McVey 800 times over the years

Like many white fighters of the pre 1930s, Tunney made every effort to deny any good black fighters a shot at him, and consequently a shot at some real money. the fact that he was willing to fight an old, used up Harry Wills while his promoter made sure to skimp out on the good money says more about his opportunistic sensability then about his bravery or fairness

 

You just agreed with my statements, dumb shit.

I said Wills was past it, you just cemented my assertion that Harry wanted more money.

Tunney's biographer, huh?

The only joke here is you, why didn't you speak up last night?

 

You said Tunney wasnt afraid of black fighters and used WILLS as an example, when you know damn well that Tunney was safely aware that Rickard would lowball Wills and the fight would never take place.

Tunney never fought a black fighter and he never appeared overly willing to either.

What are you talking about last night? What does that even mean?

Oh, BTW, great prediction on the Diaz fight, you simpleton. Maybe you can write another fluff piece about it and pass yourself off as some sort of "expert" journalist

 

dsimon writes:

He (Juan) did a very good job. He gave a better account of himself than I would have imagined.

 

What are you talking about last night? What does that even mean?

You heard what I said.

 

dsimon writes:

Dear Karl and Cdogg you guys are arguing about a man who in the annals of the Sweet Science is near and dear to my heart. Wills got a late start something that did not help his career and marketability. Who knows how much local politics had a part in his promotability as well, you know what they say about na orleans!! half the place is underwater and half the place is under inditement! :: Wills was by al accounts a player though... and it is quite a shame that he had to fight the likes of Firpo... talk about an accident on 4 legs (I mean did the guy even walk upright? Firpo that is)....

I do think Wills knew from all accounts how to butter his bread... though he was unfortunately easy to duck. But those in the know give Wills a very complimentary title as one of the very best champions ever to not hold the title! ::

I jut always thought that to be a boxer in New Orleans would be extra tough.... "stay away from that red eye gravy gumbo and fried oyster poboy Harry here is a salad" harry you don't want that old fashioned or hurricane drink you don't want to go out to the Quarter here run a few miles uptown instead!" And then imagine if you had to fight in Santa FE New Mexico? :notallthere:::

 

Diaz didn't come close to exposing Fruity.

Chico beat the shit out of Freitas and made him quit long before Diaz beat him. And the Freitas Diaz fought was semi retired.

Freitas was 100% exposed against Chico.

 

I heard it and it makes no sense.

Is that supposed to mean I wasnt in houston or something?

Good lord, you are a fucking mongoloid

 

+100

 

Diaz is no bull thats for sure.

I thought Bulls get motivated when they see red?

 

That was a devastating knockout. I don't know of much fighters that can comeback after a ko like that. Diaz days as a top fighter ARE OVER!

 

dsimon writes:

Dude late is one thing... but the boat done left the harber and is coming back to dock again on the return trip if you catch my drift. :doh:

 

He's More of a Front Running Bull....Diaz has HEART, but he's Clearly NOT the Same Fighter 1nce a Guys HURTS or CUTS him...



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Yep...

That Uppercut was VICIOUS, yet BEAUTIFUL...


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I agree! They could have counted to 50, Diaz wasnt going to get up, he was out. The uppercut was picture perfect. This was one of the best fights that I ever seen. I'm glad I have it on dvd.:kidcool:


Diaz proved though that he is was tough SOB! I was very surprised.

 

25 year olds aren't done as top flight fighters physically. Not after a couple of tough fights. Diaz lives a clean lifestyle and those fights weren't THAT damaging. No real sustained punishment.

What could hurt him is exposure of his soft body and the damage done to him when opponents stick to that body attack. If Katsidis stayed commited down there like Nate and Marquez did, maybe he'd have gotten a similar result. Juan really doesn't like it down there.

He doesn't like the taste of his own blood either.

 

I'm not talking about just the tough fights Tam. I mean Juan has a style that works best right now. He's been champion since he was 20, and almost all his fights have gone the distance. That burns guys out.

I'm not saying he's gonna be shot in his next fight. Just saying that he could start to slowly decline from here.

BTW - I agree with about Katsidis. If Kat had worked the body more, he woulda given Juan much more trouble. But Kat is a dumbass fighter.

 

Diaz hasn't shown any signs of burning out though, IMO. I know what you're saying and I do think Diaz' prime will be short, historically similar to guys with his style. No argument there.

But I don't believe for a second that he's done at this point in time.

And yes, Katsidis is a retard.

 

Maybe I shoulda re-phrased the thread. I dont think he's "done" either. He still has some good fights left in him... but its possible he'll never reach the same form he had against Marquez again.

 

You may have a point there about him declining in the next couple of years, I think he very well may, in fact.

Diaz fights just as hard in the gym as he does in the ring, and he and his sparring partners beat the shit out of each other.

He is already talking about his post boxing career in politics, has been talking about it for sometime now.

He has said before he dosen't want to fight beyond 28, and it wouldn't surprise me to see him hang them up at that time.

This was his BIG CHANCE however, and everything was all laid out for him to win in his hometown, problem was, someone forgot to tell Marquez that.

I went and spoke with him and saw him warming up before the fight outside his dressing room by swinging the baseball bat as he always does 20 times to each side, and I have never before seen him more ready or confident.

I think this past Saturday may have been his peak as he looked fantastic at times, better than he ever had before, but was just defeated by an immortal who refused to wilt under pressure and heavy doses of firepower, and Diaz may not be able to reach that physical zenith again as he was in camp an extra three weeks more than normal.

You could hear his head smash against the canvas in the cheap seats, hell, out in the corridors.

Juan ought to take a good six months off from any sparring, and fight again perhaps in the fall and re-evaluate his career, but I will think he will fight again this summer.

 

He's trying to find out if you are Max Kellerman. ::