JMM vs. PBF

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  1. Double L

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    Does JMM have a chance to beat PBF? My guess is it's a fight PBF is confident he can win. I think the same can be said for JMM. How do these two match up? Can or will this fight be made?

    JMM's credentials imo make him a worthy opponent for the prennial ducker, PBF.

    What are people's opinion of this matchup? Imagine if JMM could win this fight? Meanwhile, Pacquiao will no doubt beat Hatton.

    Suddenly, the central matchup becomes a third fight between Pac and JMM - the ultimate rivalry.

    Would PBF take such a risk?
     
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    As Much as REED has Grown to LIKE Marquez & DISlike Floyd, this ISN'T a Good Matchup...JM's an OLDER, SMALLER Guy on the DECLINE...

    Marquez's ONLY Chance is if Floyd has SLIPPED Appreciably in Retirement....



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    Floyd is a TERRIBLE matchup for JMM. I see it as a replay of Floyd's fight with Genaro Hernandez years ago. Marquez is a counterpuncher by nature... and trying to counter Floyd is a suicide mission. And Marquez isnt big enough, strong enough, or durable enough to pressure Floyd. Floyd would likely stop him. The gap in speed, as well as STRENGTH between the two would be huge. Too huge for Marquez's technical skill to overcome.

    Stylistically.... Pac has a much better chance against Floyd than Marquez does.
     
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    Does JMM have a chance to beat PBF? My guess is it's a fight PBF is confident he can win. I think the same can be said for JMM. How do these two match up? Can or will this fight be made?

    Very little. This isn't a P4P matchup. Floyd is stronger, quicker and bigger.
    Also he's a smart ring general. JMM's skill alone doesn't get him as far as it usually would.

    JMM's credentials imo make him a worthy opponent for the prennial ducker, PBF.

    I agree, but it has nothing to do with Floyd being a ducker. Marquez has earned everything he has got.

    What are people's opinion of this matchup? Imagine if JMM could win this fight? Meanwhile, Pacquiao will no doubt beat Hatton.

    I'd watch it, but i don't see Floyd losing so it makes it less interesting. Also i wouldn't call it "no doubt" that Pacquiao beats Hatton.

    Suddenly, the central matchup becomes a third fight between Pac and JMM - the ultimate rivalry.

    Would PBF take such a risk

    Yes, but it's all about money to him.
     
  5. BoxFan

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    Someone straight outboxing JMM will be very hard I don't care if you are Mayweather.
    This would be close no matter what...cuz JMM will eventually figure out PBF, and go to the body and push PBF to the ropes...
    he is a smartass guy.
    I would be rooting for JMM but in all honesty a PBF win by 115-113 win is probably what would happen.
    But I could see either way.
     
  6. whiskey

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    Agreed. Especially after a long layoff.
     
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    I think that outta anybody.... Mosley has the best chance against Floyd. Even today's Shane. Mosley is the only one with the strength to really push Floyd back... plus Floyd's punches would only make Shane laugh.

    Manny isnt physically strong enough for Floyd either.
     
  8. whiskey

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    I don't think physical strength would be all that important. Neither Manny or Floyd use much anymore.

    Marquez looks for openings and mistakes. With Floyd he simply wouldn't find enough of them.

    Pacquiao forces things on an opponent. Not in a pure physical Ricky Hatton type way, but with speed and a lot of punches. Mayweather is an extremely smart fighter but he still depends on reflexes in his game.

    Pac can "tax" just about anybody's defense and he's got a lot smarter at boxing.
     
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    You disgust me sometimes, Grand Wizard Whiskey.
     
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    Floyd would never take a JMM fight. I saw on Btalk that Floyd's advisor commented on JMM by saying "be careful what you wish for you just might get it." Crock of shit. Floyd's going to sit and wait to see who wins between Hatton and Pacman. If Hatton wins Floyd will come back for a rematch, if Hatton loses, Floyd will remain in hiding. Floyd will not come out to fight Mosley, Cotto, Pacman, JMM, or Paul Williams.
     
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    That's not an easy thing to do X, although i'm glad you asked.

    There are a lot of programs we have for people who are considering making the change.

    A typical start is Barry Manilow appreciation classes.

    After that we have a sandwich making class featuring mayonaisse as the main ingredient.

    You'll have to pm me for more details though as us whites have to talk amongst ourselves.
     
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    Floyd is too big, too fast and too good for JMM. Even at this stage.
     
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    No way does JMM beat Floyd. Nobody beats Floyd below middleweight period!

    I do like JMM calling out Floyd even if he doesn' get the fight. Hopefully he gets the winner of Pacquiao/Hatton.
     
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    Floyd would outbox shane the same way cotto did. Shane looks good against sluggers with no defense. Outside of that, he's decent at best. The only threat for Floyd right now would be Paul Williams IMO.
     
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    dsimon writes:

    The size and strength difference is huge. Everybody is right that is a problem for JMM. Its funny to see people finally realiing that Floyd is among other things strong physically. Thing about Marquez is that he does not play the game that way it is why Hatton would be a tough fight for him as well.

    Floyd's corner would have him leading with his shoulder and zooming that straight right into Marquez all night I fear. I think Marquez is as good and if Floyd and him fought lightweight at prime Marquez could be a live dog. But not now and not at a higher weight.
     
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    Hello? I hate PBF but he would destroy Marquez.

    The Baby Bull fight was a good win for Marquez, but Diaz was pretty much hitting Marquez at will in the early rounds. Diaz has cream puffs for hands yet he still managed to stun Marquez multiple times. Diaz couln't miss with his jab early in the fight, what do you think Mayweather's jab will do?
     
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    It would be a good fight,.. but Floyd's superior back turning and counter left elbow, will be the difference in the end.
     
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    I to look forward to the day PBF gets spanked in the rings but JMM is not that guy, he's to small and he aint getting any younger.

    Floyd needs to man up and fight a welterweight fighter. Cotto would do
     
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    Mismatch but I'd love to see it anyways. Although if Floyd took the fight as a warm up for something bigger he would be criticized anyways for beating a smaller,older,slower, less powerfull and just inferior fighter to himself.
     
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    JMM matches up better the PBF then Pac but both are too small to compete with Floyd.
     
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    Anything Floyd does will be critized something rediculous. Even in retirement people still claim he is ducking fighters.
     
  22. Double L

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    You say that about everyone. "Everyone's" a TERRIBLE matchup when it comes to facing PBF. Why don't you just come out and say it: you don't think "anyone" can ever beat PBF because he's so fricken good and great and fast.

    Counter-punching PBF is suicide? Watch Castillo have success doing it for 24 rounds. Watch Corley and Judah have success doing it.

    ODH would've had success doing it if PBF hadn't fought the entire fight 15 feet away from him.

    Leading is what's suicide against PBF. Perfect example: Hatton. When's the last time PBF had knocked anyone out of substance before he fought Mr. "I don't know how to fight but I'm coming after you" Hatton?

    Did Chavez's "leading" and complete absence of counter-punching get him anywhere but stopped?

    Ha ha ha ha. I laugh at the statement that counter-punching PBF is suicide. It's the exact opposite - counter-punching is how and why PBF will be beat, whether it's by JMM or not.

    And I think the size difference would surprise people if these two were to fight. I don't know that given the proper training, that JMM would look so small in the ring against PBF.

    Anyways...I hope the fight happens.
     
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    :lol:

    Don't forget his left fore-arm to the throat. That worked wonders against Castillo until he started losing points for it.

    He absolutely slaughtered Chavez with the forearm to the throat. Nice techniquqe even if it is illegal and dirty.
     
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    You think Mayweather has the courage (or the work-rate) that Diaz does. Irrelevant comparison.
     
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    When ever Floyd needed toughness he had. Anytime he was hurt in fights he came right back. Please if you will hate on Floyd do it logically.
     
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    agreed on all counts
     
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    Floyd fight JMM? Never going to happen. Floyd will never fight a guy like JMM. While he's one of the best in the sport, he's simply not going to bring the kind of money in that Floyd is looking for.
     
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    castillo at his best would've beaten up marquez imo.

    marquez is the man for calling out mayweather, but the proposed mismatch isn't gonna happen.

    i do recall floyd once acknowledging marquez as a great fighter that he respects.
     
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    I don't know, Marquez is perhaps the most popular Mexican boxer around today. He does bring his own fan base to the fight, which seems like a pre-requisite for a PBF fight.
     

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