Don't ya think its pretty sad to say that Mosquera has a punchers chance, when he doesn't even have decent punching power? Says quite a bit about Khans chin, and yes before you start tryin to school me, I am aware that Moaquera knocked Valero down... It was the lack of defense and gettin excited rather than how good Valero's chin is.
Yea but them 2 are not better then Khan.. Off course they would have a punchers chance because of Khans chin but there not on his level.. I just think this is going to be a fight for both fighters to prove themselves and I can't wait to see it..
what 2 guys did Valero beat that are better than Khan? Currently Mosquera is in the slammer so I don't think Valero has beaten anyone better than Khan.
Valero has not beaten anyone close to Khans talent, nor would he beat Khan. He should beat Prescott but as I said in the other thread, I would heavily favour Amir to beat Prescott in a rematch as well.
Oddly enough, I'd pick Khan to beat Prescott in a rematch but there is nofuckingway he beats Valero right now. Valero would rip Amir's head clean from his shoulders. If his mother needed oxygen after the Prescott KTFO, she'd need a gurney after five minutes of a Khan-Valero fight... MTF
:::::: LOL good one, but still, I really am not impressed with Valero. He has power sure, but Khan could outbox him comfortably in my opinion. The dude is just basic, it will become clear for everyone after he batters Kotelnik.
Khan has shown nothing whatsoever to demonstrate to me that he is capable of boxing senisbly for twelve solid rounds. This is what he would need to do, because if Valero gets to Amir's chin, then Amir is dead. For all that I'm unconvinced as yet as to how good Valero is, he has been KTFO guys with Amir's defence 'capabilities' since day one. Also, I STILL think Kotelnik beats Amir. That is one tough, skillful dude... MTF
I really don't see the big deal with Kotelnik, he beat up Rees but Rees was shit, do you seriously think Khan couldn't beat Rees as convincingly? Witter was HANDLING Kotelnik in the first half of that fight. Of course if Valero caught Khan he could take him out, I just don't think he can do it. He is so open it's ridiculous, and he has fought no one anywhere near as good as Khan at this point.
Fuck you, twat. No, to be honest I had no idea Plasterito was loading his gloves, it's not something I usually suspect fighters of doing. My point is, I didn't rate Marge and I was right not to rate him. He's an average fighter with a good chin, that loading his gloves, cheating scumsucking cunt that he is.
By the way punisher, you knob, I'm one of the biggest Trashkhan haters on here as my fellow Brits can testify, but no Valero hasn't beaten two people better than Khan - you haven't got a clue.
Just like to point out that Khan has beat a bunch of nobodies and struggled in doing so. Valero thus far is destroying the opposition. If Valero takes Prescott out it would set it up nicely for Valero V Khan. In saying that wouldnt Khan be huge compared to Valero ??
Yes. Khan is a pretty fucking big lightweight. Valero looks like an average sized 130 pounder to me. He looks closer to featherweight size than lightweight size to me, which is why I'm surprised he moved up.
Yup that is how I see it. Valero super feather at best and Khan always looks like a monster at lightweight.
There are many fighters I fuckin can't stand either, but I still give them their dues. Sorry just not convinced he can go anywhere, at best he will be the lightweight Floyd Patterson. And yes I do have a clue, the 2 I mentioned would have a very good chance and KOing Khan, that is not to say Khan isn't better than them both(I used the wrong words in saying Valero has beatin better fighters, he just has beatin fighters I would pick over Khan) So before ya personally attack me, and all that bullshit, maybe try to argue civilised like the rest of the boys around here.
Kotelnik is a crafty little bastard who always loses tight decisions because he fights off the back foot with hard counters and solid defence being the order of the day. He took Rees apart, who I accept is balls, but he gave Witter plenty to think about and for me did enough to at least draw that fight. And Junior at 140 is a much tougher prospect IMHO than Khan is, based on the fact that Khan has done precisely fuck all at 140 and not a whole lot else at 135. Moreover, Khan is tailor made for Kotelnik; he'll come forward throwing flurries all night long, most of which will either miss or hit gloves and then he'll get tagged as he leaps back out in that quaint way FR has taught him to do to protect his glass jaw. As for Valero, he is as unproven as Khan at this point but despite LOOKING like he has no speed or technique he always seems to find his target with hard, accurate shots. Don't be fooled by the bullshit some of this lot have been spewing; Pituala might be old as hell but he's as tough as old boots and is absolutely years from the last time he was stopped, yet Valero sparked him in two fucking rounds. He may look like a sloth, but he can obviously crack, and that spells uber-danger for a fighter like Khan who has no chin and not much of a defense. Just my tuppn'ceworth... MTF
Whilst you put forth a good argument, if people are going to class Pitalua as a decent win for Valero, then Khan should get some credit for beating Barrera as well. Also, lets say Khan does a number on Kotelnik and wins convincingly, where would he stand in your eyes?
wait, Pitalua was unbeaten in the past several years with a recent win over Santa Cruz, who for all intents and purposes was the lineal LW champ, or at least that level. Barrera was semi-retired/extremely washed up. Granted Barrera was a higher class of fighter at one point, but I think even though Pitalua was older, he still showed more of a freshness and quality at his age than Barrera did
I'd be very impressed to be honest. I think (and have said a hundred times) that Khan is half a world class fighter; he has very quick hands, good power (though not as good as he thinks) and he has tremendous fighting heart. The latter of these is severely underrated because of his shitty chin, but it is undoubtedly true- whenever he gets KD he doesn't hide- he gets back up and gets back involved. The KTFO by Prescott was absolutely picture perfect but the little bastard STILL got up once and tried to get up the second time. Most other fighters wouldn't have gotten up once. Trust me mate, I'm no Khan hater. I've grown to rather like the guy, and I respect his skills. I just see his weaknesses and have seen them since his Ammy days and always knew they would be magnified as he stepped up in comp. And I think he and Werren are underrating Kotelnik. A lot. MTF
Agreed. And to be honest, Khan didn't even 'beat' Barerra. It should have been a NC due to an accidental headbutt. MTF
Prescott's people need to tell him run across the ring at the opening bell and just start throwing haymakers at Valero's exposed chin, and then he may have a good shot at winning early as Valero is wide open, and does not know what to do when a man comes at him save for backing straight against the ropes with his chin straight up in the air. However; if Prescott lies back on him and gives him punching room like little Pitalua did, Valero will bomb him out.
I know that bro, I watched it live, but you and I know that it was a right load of balls. The Doc inspected MAB halfway through three, decided it was fine to go on, and then inspected him again at the start of five and decided that exactly the same cut was too bad to continue. Call me suspicious but... ...by the second, it was clear that MAB couldn't see shit. I even said then that the fight would go on until the start of the fifth and then be called off. It was as plain as the nose on my face. I know who OFFICIALLY won, but lets be honest here; that shit stunk MTF
In that case, I don't disagree. I thought you were talking specifically of the ending itself, not the corruption leading up to it.
Yeah, I guess the point is that fight SHOULD have been stopped before 4 rounds were up. The cut was bad. And therefore, it would have been a NC.
Possibly yea should have been stopped in the 1st round, but it wasn't, and please people, cut or no cut, there is no way Barrera was winning that fight anyway. No point arguing over a technicality.
