Jermain Taylor APPRECIATION Thread....

taylor never got any better since his amateur days. he is still as robotic as ever. its painful to watch him throw right hands

 

i agree. taylor is what he is, im not sure what was "disgraceful" about his performance. he just wasnt good enough to hang on to win. just another example of that chap saying some idiotic things about boxing

 

Yes, it's two things that the current grave dancers will never be able to take away from Jermaine,... his two victories over Hopkins,.. and the fact that he's more country than Roy Jones will fucking ever be,.. ever, ever, ever.

 

:: agREED...

Taylor has 1 of the Most INACCURATE Right Hands REED's Ever Seen....& the "Bow & Arrow" Motion when he Jabs is QUITE Amatuerish...


REED:hammert:

 

I'm starting to think B-Hop threw both fights.

 

Taylor just doesnt throw nearly enough, and he doesnt want to. Either that or he has the worst stamina ever

 

taylor is a nice guy and a tough guy with a lot of talent he never was able to polish. but lets face it, he's not exciting to watch. it irritates me to watch guys who dont punch with any fluidity. he throws a right hand like jason campbell throws a football. raising his arm up like that is a habit someone shouldve broke long ago

 

For whatever Reason, Jaws is STILL Caught Up TRYING to B Free Ike & Therefore Throws OUTLANDISH, Overtly NEGATIVE BullShit Out There, PRAYING that it'll Stick...Taylor has Absolutely NATHAN to B Ashamed Of...He Simply Lost to a BETTER Fighter in Froch, who Paid Jermain MAD Respect After the Fight (As Did Pavlik)...

Jermain Wasn't an EASY Win for Anybody & He's PROVEN that he'll Go Out On his Shield...It's "Disgraceful" that Jaws would Badmouth Taylor's Performance Tonight...



REED:hammert:

 

He's Certainly NOT a Volume Puncher, but Taylor Throws a Good Bit of Shots EARLY...He's Got the SAME Affliction that DeLa Has (To a HIGHER Degree than DeLa Does), Meaning it's INEVITABLE That he'll FATIGUE, even if he's TRUELY In Shape....


REED:mj:

 

If Dibella ever wants Taylor to get a stoppage again, he better match him with John Duddy.

 

There's an Abundance of CLASS & HONOR to Jermain Taylor...REED Thinks he'd RETIRE B 4 Reducing Himself to Facing Straight Up BUMS like Duddy...If he Contiues to Fight REED Could See Jermain Facing Winky, Roy, the Andre's or Some Top 10 Supermiddles but NOT a Guy on Duddy's Level...



REED:mj:

 

This is spot on and the same thing I'd been saying about him for years. Y'all remember those years, when JT was constantly feasting on JrMiddles. The guy was just not very skilled and no Xplosive he was not born with all the tools. What tools are you talking about, because not only was he not born with all the tools but he also failed to learn them very well either?

Dude is the black middleweight Wlad Klitchko. Well....make that was.

 

Wladimir Klitschko?

I don't see the comparison, for several blatant reasons (and not all one-sided).

Technique being one of them.

 

ya for all klitschko's faults he is way more fluid than taylor.

a guy who does remind me of an even more raw version of taylor is deonte wilder.

 

I'm not a Taylor hater by any means, but I don't find him remotely likeable.

He is a very good fighter before he gasses, and he DOES have heart no doubt, but somehow there is nothing that likeable about him - about the way he fights, or his personality or anything.

Well, two things, he has heart, and he fights anyone ::

But you know what I mean, he just isn't one of those fighters you warm to.

It is weird though the way he gasses in that De La Lovesongs esque way.

I mean, fighters usually gas after throwing too many punches, or taking a beating. Taylor did neither, in fact he hardly threw anything after round 5 or 6, and STILL gassed? :dunno:

He always LOOKS in shape, so it's really quite strange.

I guess some fighters just have inate stamina, and some don't. De La Hoya can train his arse off and still never have good stamina. Duran could drink and party, barely train at all, and still be bopping around in the 15th round.

I guess Taylor is just in the former category.

 

Agreed. Nothing disgraceful at all. He tried, he showed heart, he just didn't have the focus/determination/stamina to hang on to the win.

Nevermind his inability to finish.

Frock simply showed that little bit more determination and importantly - stamina - to get the win.

 

Lib four Lib,..............PLEASE :doh:, we only started to care about that, when he became champ, all of a sudden we started looking at 'size differences' in the middleweight division.........um,....Hopkins???... never picked on smaller fighters, mismandatory after mismandatory?,..

Noteable names on his resume.. Oscar De La Hoya and Felix Trinidad,..---------------WTF??? .. if a guy the size of a full fleged light-heavyweight who dwarves even the largest of supermiddleweights, picks on tots like those, he would be rightfully ROASTED,...but not our beloved Hops... and you know why people are delusional?.. because no matter how small..the opponent.. the coward, would never walk them down,... that's how much of a bitch he was,..his strict counter-punching, disguised the fact that he was a hunched up, backpeddling, GIANT, potting and clinching midgets to decision victories, earning him the pathetic glorified moniker "this cagey cunning veteran is one of the most physical fighters in our game".... :shit: *splat!

Hops is more like your Wlad Klitschko..only.. he holds more,.. runs more, throws less punches, constantly indulges in a variety of illegal impliments, wont even fight other fighters in his own division, and rarely ever knocks his opponents out..

Also, Wlad's a heavyweight,.. it's where his size belongs... another guy his size could come along and fight him any time that he likes.. but most heavyweights his size dont even make it to a title-shot do they?,...you cant blame the Klitschkos OR Lennox Lewis, for being strong heavyweights who are able to operate out of a gigantic physique,...most can't.

 

I have a question why do cats keep saying that Jermaine Taylor is an athlete. The dude is not an athlete. His footwork is prolly the worst I've ever seen for a dude that has been given the title "athlete". The dude has not improved in I don't know how many years whether it's mental or physical. But Jermaine Taylor is not and I repeat is not an athlete. He is just a very limited fighter with very limited boxing skills. I'll Holla 5000

 

I agree he's also not as ripped as Roy Jones! :hammert:

 

Taylor's HANDSPEED Gives People the IMPRESSION that he's "Athletic", but N Reality he ISN'T...There's a Level of FLUIDITY to an "Athletic" Person that Taylor Clearly LACKS...



REED:hammert:

 

I actually agree with feeling bad. JT seems pretty decent as person and atleast for me is hard to root against although I never thought he was very good and frankly he is an overachiever.

However, his getting tired isvery explicable. He moves too much needlessly. That Razorback thing he does is ridiculous and burns too much energy. He never learned to relax in the ring. Still, it's amazing that a stuttering hick from rural Arkansas could have achieved so much.

 

It's possible that JT has the same lung illness that Floyd Sr has. Perhabs he just has more fibre 2 muscle types then fibre 1.

 

He doesn't know how to relax and his chin is not great. He could run 25 miles a day and would still gas in a fight. He is too wound up. That is because he never was trained properly as a kid because he grew up in Arkansas. Still, for some hick, to humiliate Bernard Hopkins twice is quite an accomplishment.

 

True Free,.. he has clear mental issues that work against his stamina,...it can be the ace of all demons in the ring,.. as seen with fighters like Golota and Zab Judah who could lose to journeyman on any given night,... Mental problems are good for boxing forums, but not for the actual ring.

 

let's not forget that Taylor ended Hopkins epic middle-weight reign. So he has 3 losses. Suddenly he's not entitled to make a living the best way he knows how? He's one big win away from being relevant again. You people that say a fighter should retire because he was knocked out in the final round of a fight in which his opponent's only chance to win was with a knock-out just perpetuate the network's agenda of deceiving us all into believing in superman. How many hall of famers have less than 3 losses on their record? I'd say very few!!!!

Everyone is overlooking the fact that Taylor had the fight won going into the 12th. Easily. And it's not like he took a beating, can't take a punch, or can't compete at the elite level. Two wins over a legend, a win over Wright - and a decent performance in his rematch with Pavlik (nearly stopping him in the 1st fight), and he should retire??

Fuck that. He just needs to learn to relax in the ring - he's a little like ODH in that respect and exactly why he shares ODH's stamina problems.

Retire? Fuck that. Taylor is young and has plenty of room to improve.

 

In my case for wanting him to retire,... I am seeing the same alarming mental 'execution' flaw that a fighter like Zab Judah has, (Zab stutters with his speech aswell you may notice).. it's the kind've 'seize up' mental lapse that can be horribly detrimental,...and it drains Jermaine's stamina to a stand-still,.. it's the kind've flaw that can have you beaten by slightly durable journeyman,...(and in a way, he was).. and I really dont want to see a person as lovely as Jermaine, trying so hard to achieve his goals, only to fall short in the ring by a growing insidious inner demon that cuts him down every night of the fight. No "good solid training camp".. is going to ever help Jermaine,.. this is what I've learned after this fight...

Hopkins nickname is funny though in light of Jermaine's critical flaws,.. 'The Executioner' ... LOSS x2.

 

Taylor May have TECHNICALLY Had the Fight "Won", but those Scorecards were BOGUS, Doub...Froch CLEARLY Won MORE Rounds, then he NEGATED Round 3 w/a Knockdown of Taylor...& Even if the Ref HADN'T Stopped the Fight, Taylor Likely WOULD have Hit the Canvas AGAIN...Froch would have Been a CLEAR Decision Winner in REED's Opinion...

Also, Jermain Taylor is 30, which ISN'T an Age where "Improvements" R Generally Made...REED's Only Saying Taylor Should CONSIDER Retirement...He's STILL a Top 10 Supermiddle, but REED Gets the Feeling that Taylor will B REDUCED to just a NAME on Other Guys Resumes Now...



REED:mj:

 

If Taylor goes to old school training, locking himself up in camp for 16 weeks minimum in the Arkansas woods, leaving the bullshit weights, performance enhancing "whatever" the fuck alone, he can come back on top.

He needs a lot of wood chopping, running five miles before dawn followed by wind sprints, eating lean steaks with salads, fresh vegetables, fruit, real milk, baked potatoes with no add ons, and plenty of orange juice..he will have no more stamina problems, but he has to do it.

He can come back and beat this guy if he follows this regimen combined with good gym work, sparring, and plenty of stretching combined with a masseur like Luis Sarria accomplished with Ali after every workout to smooth out the punching muscles that will prevent lactic acid buildup in the triceps and biceps.

 

:doh:

do you just make this shit up as you go along or shall we simply attribute this misinformation to drug abuse related memory lapses?

 

Karl he doesn't reLAX THOUGH. Look at his arms when he is not engaging. They are pulled tight. Plus, he is too busy moving his around too much. I don't train with him so I have no idea how he trains. However, if he is going to start out like a rocket, he needs to learn how relax. The guy shoots his wad by round 5. It is important to start strong, but he is basically 50% after the first 4 rounds.