Is Paquiao most accomplished titlist in the sport ever? Yes!

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Oh wonderful another potential racial subplot for REED to file away in his database.:doh:

 

The draw between Armstrong and Garcia was a 10 round fight.

Despite being a recognized champ, Garcia was only defending the California version of the MW title.

The 15 rounder was for the WW title, which apparently was the fair decision, since Henry won.

 

I'm a mysterious man of wisdom, REED::

 

I agree. I'm from the Philippines myself and am glad that Pacman won. He's a great, incredible fighter, a bonafide all-timer already if you will. Like somebody else already said, he's the kind of fighter our grandfathers would envy us. But I think his greatness is best served if people didn't go overboard with stuff like "GOAT" and shit. It's ridiculous and it makes me cringe. And I'm a Pacman fan. All it does is to tempt people to rain on your parade. Knowlegeable fans (like most people on this site) know the score, and there's no need to trumpet the obvious any more than is necessary. Or, you could at least trumpet it intelligently.

But anyway... the Hatton KO was fvcking incredible.

The kind of incredibly dominant wins legends tend to be built on. :bears:

 

To be fair, EVERY boxing "observation" made by wRONg King is based on whether or not the fighters in question are of Mexican descent. And anyone who doesn't agree with his opinions is a racist and hates all Mexicans.

 

Good post. :bears:

 

No Worries, Mate...REED Isn't Some SHELTERED Adolescent that Forms SWEEPING Judgements on CLASSES & RACES of People he's NEVER Spent Time w/, Based SOLELY on his Television....



REED:boohoo:

 

You're right I'm a fucking idiot. I'll make sure I've done 6 months of field work in Compton before I next express an opinion on any globally reaching media-driven cultural phenomenons.

 

There ya Go!!!!...HANDS-ON EXPERIENCE is ALWAYS a Better Barometer than Pre-Packaged Media DRIVEL...Now that U Seem to B on the Right Track, DON'T B JUVENILE Enough to Take your Beef from Thread to Thread...



REED:kidcool:

 

REED,

personally, I dont think its wrong to criticize popular culture... Current POPULAR hip-hop music/culture is a celebration of sexism, mindless aggression, respect based on nothing, materialism and exploitation... now, to some those might be great things, to me they are generally very shitty... I dont think I am being racist at all here... Floyd Jr. and Sr. look and behave like characters in a generic CURRENT POPULAR rap video... they are self-absorbed, mindlessly aggressive, completely hung up on symbols of wealth, the most shallow pursuits, they are brash and outrageously egotistical... to some, maybe those are attractive character traits, but I wont even waste my time knowing a person who behaves that way... those things are a reflection of what is promoted these days as "hip hop"...

If I understand you correctly, I think you are trying to say that the stuff thats on TV isnt what it is REAL, what is COMMON... I can dig that... but to say that there isnt a clear entertainment media phenomenon in recent years designed to make black Americans look like animalistic morons (often perpetrated by black american entertainers) is naive to me... and the Mayweathers are like walking stereotypes of that new message

At my place of business, the racial makeup is probably 50/30/20 white/black/latino and for every young black person I see that acts like Floyd Mayweather, there are 3 or 4 that are just normal people... the media and the "music" biz dont reflect that... the music biz makes black people look like shucking and jiving fools

to me, it would be like if the only white people you saw were the ones in Country Music videos... that would easily lead you to the conclusion that all white Americans are barely literate, shotgun-toting, mindlessly patriotic, truck-driving alchoholics

but I dont think Hut Hut was saying that... I think he was talking about how the Mayweathers are an example of the negative stereotype... I dont think he was saying they make up the majority... but maybe I misread him:dunno:

 

to be fair to pacquaio....if ambers, ross and garcia were the respective champs at '35,'47, and '60 right now I don't have much doubt that pacquaio could beat them all within 10 months.

 

You read me completely right. Admittedly I expressed it in a wretchedly clumsy way, but I don't think any level of eloquence on my part would have stopped REED going down the road he wanted to with the comment anyway. As I said to REED, I was narrowly referring to the media phenomenon of mainstream hip/hop ghetto culture, which originates from, and is an element of black american culture, but is now a globally influential phenomenon. And as you rightly point out the Mayweather's are like hideous breathing caricatures of the worst elements of it. That I wasn't talking about the entirety of black american culture (as if such a thing even exists) in all it's complexity and diversity should have been obvious to anyone who was actually willing to understand what I was saying rather than twist it to use as a stick to beat me with.:crying:

Anyway, moving on.....

 

REED See's what U're Saying C-Dogg...But it's WRONG for ANY Person to Reach Conclusions or Judgements on a RACE & CLASS of People Based SOLELY on what they've Seen on their Televsion...A Few Guys ALLOWING Themselves to B Portrayed Negatively SHOULD NOT B an Indictment on an ENTIRE CULTURE....

Yet Hut-Hut TREATS it as Such...

This Cat Knows Absolutely NATHAN about Hip Hop Culture OR it's Practitioners, OTHER than what he Sees on his T.V. in Europe...REED Could just as Easily Look @ Hut Hut's Signature & ASSume HE's Homosexual Because the Group in his Sig LOOKS FEMININE to REED's Eyes...But REED has LIVED Loooooooong Enough to KNOW NOT to Judge Books by their Covers...

This Cat has a HISTORY of PRESUMPTIVE BULLSHIT (REED has Gotten Into this Type of Exchange SEVERAL Times w/this Dude Over the Years) while ADMITTEDLY Having Little to NO Actual EXPOSURE to the Things he Readily Speaks Out About...He CRIES about REED "Twisting" his Words, but REED Takes his Words @ FACE VALUE & How HE Presents Them...

That I wasn't talking about the entirety of black american culture (as if such a thing even exists) in all it's complexity and diversity should have been obvious to anyone who was actually willing to understand what I was saying rather than twist it to use as a stick to beat me with.

Seriously???...What the FUCK???...Is their Any "Twisiting" Required There???...



REED:shit:

 

Jesus christ, mate. The parethesized comment means that there is no probably such thing as 'black american' culture as a singular, homogenous phenomenon. Because obviously as with any group of tens of MILLIONS of people that cross an entire continent any similarities are gonna be superficial versus the differences between then. God....Im scanning this before I click post this for anything else you can fucking crucify me for. We'll see what you pick out. Whether you do or not, Im officially fucking OUT of this conversation topic.:flip:

 

Maybe, maybe not...but I personally find that when discussing a fighter's accomplishments it is more useful to discuss his actual accomplishments instead of mythical matchups. It's hard enough to rate a fighter based on the facts and when you try to factor in "coulda, woulda, shouldas" then it gets even more subjective because that leads to more emphasis on opinion rather than facts.

 

I dig, REED

I dont know if Hut Hut means it as a slant on african-americans in general, I dont think he does

I think you guys are just misunderstanding one another

either way, you are both dudes I like:bears:

 

1nce Again, U're READILY Speaking Out on Matters that U're 100% CLUELESS on...There's a CLEAR, WELL DEFINED Starting Point for BLACKS IN AMERICA, Dude...This is WHY U & REED CONSISTENTLY have Issues...Instead of ASKING Questions, U ASSume & PRESUME, Much to the DETRIMENT of Our Interaction...

NO Such Thing as "Black American Culture" as a Singular, Homogenous Phenomenon"???...Yeah, O.K...


REED::

 

Fuck you, REED. What am I presuming now? That any similarites between the daughter of a business exec who attends a preppy private school in New York, the kid of the same age in a Detroit slum, the child of a former 60's activist in the South are gonna be SUPERFICIAL? Clearly it's terribly patronizing to the whole African American people for me to make a HUGE baseless assumption like that without meeting them all individually and I apologize.....(or maybe it's just such a fucking obvious & harmless point that only a hyper sensitive arsehole looking for a fight on the matter could possibly take it as a point of umbrage).

But since it's clearly more hassle than it's worth, I now officially pronounce that i will never make any comments of any nature about anyone other than the Irish-Catholic diaspora in the West of Scotland, shall I? And of course the Mayweather's are in fact wonderful people who I merely didn't 'get' because of my prejudice & ignorance.

And we can both go on our way....ld:

 

Oh shit!!!:laughing::::crying:::

 

When it comes down to it, all fighters are modern day warriors for whom physical supremacy remains the ultimate judge.

Philosophers of a craft where nothing can replace the simple elements of faith, focus, and fortitude.

Training with energy that is endless, teaching from textbooks that are invisible.

They fight with the force of entire nations behind them.

Pacquiao is the best boxer in the world, an ambitious champion whose triumphs uplift an entire nation.

 

You make most fans hate such a great and well respected nice man like Manny...I hate fans like you.
I love Marquez but I wouldn't pick him over Chavez, or Duran, or Leonard...I know better....
Know the limitations of your fighter...please...

 

okay Mr. Miyagi...

 

YUP.....:bears:

 

old fighters are overrated on this website.

 

By some members..I agree, but also completely underrated by others here...so...its about the same...

 

that entire post was stolen verbatim from the narration on a 24/7 episode

surprised no one caught that sooner

 

Henry Armstrong had a bigger penis

 

I stand corrected on that, thanks for that as I haven't really watched it in years.

It was a brutal fight.

 

damn I really wished Marquez wasn't robbed by the judges in that rematch with pac. Maybe we wouldn't have to deal with this moron posting Pacquiao dick sucking threads every two minutes.

Cupey