Juan Manuel Marquez is overrated

first it was De La Hoya and Hatton were the money fight...those two fight consume most of Mayweather time at 147 so much that he could not make room for Margarito...Cotto..or Mosley..but special Margarito since he was calling him out for years...

Cotto vs. Mayweather or Mosley vs. Mayweather...will still sell more PPV's than Mayweather vs. Marquez...but yeah Marquez is in the "hot seat"...::::

 

Margarito who? Why do people even bring that cheating scumbag to discussion. Like I said, Cotto wasted like 48927 years not being ready for Floyd when they were both together on Top Rank and now the fight is just not nearly as attractive as it could have been. Floyd's advisor said they're looking for Pacquiao or Mosley next so maybe Miguel should try to bounce back and make himself the man to fight.

As far as PPV's, I'm not so sure. I think Floyd-Marquez will sell quite good. Better than a Mosley fight. Brothers rather go to KFC than buy a PPV of their fighters (J/K haha)

 

Yeah Margarito is not much know..but back a few years he was the man at 147 at worst #3..actually #2 behind Mayweather...but Floyd Mayweather never fought him always with excuses...

Cotto had been the fight to make at 147 for a while before he fought Margarito.....but somehow you have to call out Mayweather so he pays attention..well Margarito tried that didn't work..i guess you have to be 2 weight division below for him to pay attention.

Margarito..MOsley..Clottey...u know top guys in the division that Cotto fought..yet Mayweather avoided...

Okay...go ahead and make like Marquez is some kind of decent PPV fighter he isn't...Mosley vs. May might PPV's number might be close....but Mayweather vs. Cotto PPV's would double anything Floyd v. Marquez generates..

 

Exactly, PBF has been a ww for years yet he fought none of the top dogs in the division and it's been the hottest division in boxing for a while. If Floyd wants to figtht jrwelter ( or lw in JMM case ) then he needs to go down to jrwelter. Now, he's only looking like a bitch by avoiding all these big, real ww.

 

But unlike Pacquaio, JMM is completely unproven at 147 or even 140. That's why PBF's fighting JMM is a far different scenario than his facing Pacquiao.

 

Really? Marquez looked fairly faded to me, in both cases he pulled it out in a big way in very competitive fights to give him benefit of doubt against good or very good lightweight opponents, mayweather is something totally different, its a bad fight IMO for JMM, practically a cashout

 

Less than a year and a half.

 

You know it. Floyd took no risks at all in that fight, and won a fairly close, dull decision.

It was lummox esque.

 

Of course I saw them, they were both brilliant performances.

Marquez started slow in both fights, as per usual, before taking over and beating the shit out of the pair of them.

Again I ask, who else has done that to Casa or Diaz?

Marquez is great, he is number 2 pound for pound.

I'm wondering how many Marquez fights you've seen actually, he always starts slow, then takes over.

 

JMM in the last 2-3 years has made a conscious effort to fight more aggressively because if you can believe this, for many years he was considered a boring counter-puncher who nobody could get excited to watch. And his career, opportunities and earnings were suffering as a result.

So what may look to some as JMM's slipping because he's shop worn or over the hill, is at least partially due to JMM's conscious effort to be more offensive and give the fans their money's worth. This necessarily means getting hit more.

Having said that, with all the big fights he's been in in the last 3-4 years (Pacquiao x2, Barrera, Casamayor, Diaz), there's no denying that his body has taken some punishment. But who knows. Maybe adding some weight will be exactly what he needs. I don't know. I think his counter-punching will give PBF problems whether he wins or not.

PBF has probably picked a guy he will beat, but it's hard to imagine anyone looking good against JMM unless the size difference allows PBF to create the illusion that he's some kind of hard-hitting destroyer if it turns out that JMM can't handle PBF's power (always a clue PBF's not fighting someone in his own weight-class when his power is a factor in the fight).

 

ever since that whole baldomir fiasco double L is starting to get the hang of this thing. disparrage the opposition beforehand, to the point of rendering the victory meaningless.

its a shitty fight and won't crack mayweathers top 5 career victories

 

you disagree that the only thing PBF stands to gain from this fight is money? he's not going to get credit for beating a career feather-weight. And if he loses, well, it'll be devastating to his legacy. it's virtual proof that PBF fights strictly for the money, and that he relies on talking and posturing to convince people he's the greatest.

you can't be "that" stupid not to see that PBF is trying to buck the system and deceive the public.

 

Can you read?

 

:doh:

 

Dude...you're trying to make it sound like Ray Leonard or Thomas Hearns taking on Sanchez or Pedroza. Mayweather spent a lot of time at lower weights and he's more of a Jr. Welter than a Welter. JMM has made the move to Lightweight and has done very well there. I don't see the huge disparity that you are attempting to create. I know you hate Mayweather and all but I really think you are reaching here.

 

you're just a mayweather nuthugger

Mayweather/Marquez is like Gerry Cooney taking on Ricardo Lopez... its a travesty...

they spent several years 4 pounds apart... that is A HUGE AMOUNT of weight

why dont you just swing from Mayweather's nutsack some more?

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I would say he looks small-ish at lightweight, and they may factually have spent several years 4 pounds apart but its hardly tells the story of where they have been plying their trade in recent years, we'd all be pretty pissed if Pacquaio agreed to fight Israel Vazquez at 130Ibs even though they were only a few pounds apart some time in the past

 

The "4 pounds apart" argument is ridiculous. Marquez first fight above 126 was in 2007. Floyd hasn't fought at 130 since 2001. Of course he's the bigger man, and not just 4 pounds heavier. He's well acclimated to higher weights.
I don't know if it's because it's Double L that's making the argument, but arguing that because Floyd fought 4 pounds north of JMM career division in his early twenties they're about the same size is just as ridiculous as Double L is biased.

 

you miss the point

I was using that to illustrate the ridiculousness of Double L

I dont actually BELIEVE that

I was answering Double Ls exaggerations with one of my own

The point is that Double L makes this sound like a giant facing a dwarf

 

Not a giant vs a dwarf but the size difference will be noticeable at fight time. Mayweather has all the advantages here. He seems to have learned a lot from ODLH.

 

JMM is one of the best boxers I've seen and he hits pretty damn hard. At 5"7 he's got the frame to deal well at 140 and he's got the skills to hang with anyone. Floyd is one inch taller and better acclimated at the higher weights but if he wins it won't be just because of that, not at all. Skills pay the bills.

 

He looked small compared to Diaz and Casamayor and it was at 135. Even if you think he has the frame to make 140, it is still speculation on how well he would do at that weight, he has never fought there. Not all boxers can move up in weight and retain their effectiveness like Manny Pacquiao. I don't think every guy that is accustomed to 147 could beat JMM at 143, but at equal skill, and one could make the argument that Mayweather has more, it's pretty obvious that the bigger guy will win. I see this as nothing but a highly paid tune up fight for Mayweather, and I'M a big JMM fan. Only gullible fans and nuthuggers will try to pass this as some sort of stern test for Mayweather. Intelligent matchmaking? Yes. Great Challenge? Get the fuck out of here, not with the very good fighters at 147.

The guy has been fighting for two years above 126 and some people try to pass him as a full fledged JWW... Wow.

 

i think it's reaching to give PBF a pass, saying that he's "small" when he insisted on fighting Hatton at 147 and did the same initially when it came to JMM. Meanwhile, 147 is bloated with talent that PBF won't go near.

i'm not trying to make it sound like anything. i'm stating a fact. PBF wants (insisted) on fighting a career featherweight at 147.

if he were "small" and therefore entitled to take on "small" opposition, then why would he insist the fights take place at 147?

i'm not reaching. i'm stating facts that defy your worship of PBF as the best fighter in the world. the best fighter in the world should certainly clean out his own division, wouldn't you say?

and if he's so "small" why doesn't he move down to 140?

just face it. PBF is a puss. i know it must hurt. but it's true.

and the question about whether or not i can read? i'm not sure i understand. i can read, maybe i just can't make sense of your dribble or Neil's for that matter.

 

Marquez is going to shock the world. Floyd fans should be very nervous about this fight.

 

Its a lightweight fighting a welter. Like Mosely vs Delahoya I or Duran vs Palamino and Ray or Whittaker vs McGirt...Whats the big fuckin deal this had been done forever and the little guy usually wins if hes great ...Give it a rest.

 

PBF said himself he will win because he's bigger.

Whereas PBF can't put a dent in a legitimate welterweight, he can hurt smaller guys (like Hatton and JMM). And that's exactly the reason for this charade.

PBF is currently in the same position Gatti was. He's too big to make 140, but not big or good enough for 147. I'm not saying that he's not better than Gatti at 147, but he shares the same problem as Gatti.

But unlike Gatti, who despite his need to fight at 147, even though he's a small 147 pounder, PBF has decided to deal with the situation by fighting smaller guys. For some reason it didn't occur to Gatti to fight 135 pounders when he was competing at 147. If he did, he'd probably have quite the winning streak going. Maybe he'd get a rematch with PBF. ::

 

As soon as you mentioned my "worship" of Mayweather, your post lost any validity it might have. I have NEVER been a fan of Mayweather and it would give me great pleasure to see him knocked on his ass. So for you to even try to go there means you are, yet again, talking out of your ass.

Just because your every post about Mayweather reeks of hate doesn't mean those that disagree with you are exactly the opposite. Hell...I'm sure I dislike Mayweather every bit as much as you do...but I don't go to great lengths (or ANY lengths for that matter) to discredit everything about the guy as a fighter.

And where did I say you couldn't read? You might want to get your facts and posters straight before you respond next time so you look like less of an ass.

 

anyone trying to categorize PBF's fighting JMM as a legitimate fight must, if secretly, be a nut-hugger. because logic defies it.

but if you say so, and you're not a PBF fan, i'll mark it down because it's important information to know where you stand when it comes to PBF.

i was simply responding to your post which seems to excuse PBF, a 147 pounder, contenders in his own division, in favor of fighting career feather-weights who've had two fights at 135.

and there's no comparison when it comes to Pacquiao. that's my guess anyways. i don't think JMM will carry his speed and power up two weight classes the way Manny has. Pacquiao's success at 140 and at 147 is an exception to the rule and PBF knows this which is probably why we'll never see him fight Pacquiao, even if he beats JMM (which as good as JMM is all but a foregone conclusion given the advantages PBF will enjoy).

 

i just may change my forum handle to "floydmayweatherp4pno1"