What would PBF's ideal comeback weight be?

This is what Im talking about... the same excuses you will make for YOUR fighters you wont allow for the ones you hate... Hes cutting weight for the fight... if one of YOUR guys did that, youd be ooohing and aaahing at the "concession" but since it is FM, a guy you hate, it is EXPECTED that he do this

18 months isnt a long layoff for a guy who fights twice a year? 18 months is a long layoff for any fighter... its a year and a half of no action... again, this something you would only apply to a fighter you dislike... what major world champ fighter fights more than twice a year? Floyd the only one?

He had to have known that a rematch with DLH was a fight he might not win? He won clearly enough the first time... you think Hoya gets HUNGRIER and BETTER for a rematch there? based on WHAT exactly?

Why would Mosley be a big fight at the time? Mosley had lost to Cotto and was generally seen as an old man... the public wasnt clamoring for such a match... Mosley's name didnt start becoming part of the discussion until he demolished your former idol Margarito, and that was long after Mayweather's retirement was announced

To me, Mayweather can be criticized for Cotto or Margarito with some reason, but Mosley? thats just piling on

and lets look at his resume just over the last few years, we wont even count his BRILLIANT 130 resume, which not even you could hate... :

2004, he moves up to 140 and for his first fight takes on one of the better contenders out there in DeMarcus Corley and he wins handily, one-sided decision --- not a farce fight

2005, Bruselles, easy opponent for him... typical stay busy fight

2005, Gatti, easy as hell obviously, but a HUGE payday, he would have been an idiot not to take that fight

2005, Mitchell... an easy fight at that point as Mitchell, whose value is debateable to begin with, was clearly past it... something of a "farce"

2006, Judah... hardly a farce... Judah was one fight removed from being the recognized world champ at 147 and Mayweather won impressively, particularly down the stretch

2006, Baldomir... the recognized champ at 147, no matter wether you think he sucked or not... he was the rightful title holder and Mayweather shut him out, one-sided fight... no farce there

2007, De La Hoya... RISES in weight to face DLH at 154 (funny how you never mention THIS size disparity when killing Mayweather for this Marquez fight) and in a fight that YOU definitley picked DLH to win, boxes well enough to win the fight... no farce there

2007, Ricky Hatton... again, a MONEY MAKER... Hatton was the man at 140, Mayweather was a champion at 147... Hatton wanted to rise up to fight him... he did and he got beat up and knocked silly... honestly... if they both weighed 140, do you really believe this fight turns out any differently??? ... not the best matchup, but definitley not a farce either

Like I said, the only case that can even be made is that he maybe should've fought Cotto or Margarito... and there is still a chance one of those (Cotto) could still happen

You can use all the disparaging generalizations you want, but you havent made your case

 

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REED:hammert:

 

Clearly PBF has better training habits than Castillo. Wow. I complemented PBF and you somehow twist it into my discrediting him?

This is when this forum gets so tedious - when people like you read every post I make under the premise that it's only purpose is to disparage a particular fighter.

I'm a fight fan.

 

Mosley was DEFINITELTY talked about as an opponent for Floyd before Floyd retired.

 

So this was meant as a compliment for Mayweather and it WASN'T meant to be a slam on Mayweather? It came from the post cdogg responded to.

"Basically, there were no farce fights for him to make so he retired."

 

I doubt that in his semi-retirement Floyd has let himself go 10% as much as Hatton reguarly has done in between fights. He'll be fine.

 

Exactly. And people are forgetting it's only been a YEAR AND A HALF since floyd retired, they're acting like he might be a shell of his former self ::

 

Thankyou.

 

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dude, why dont you actually address the post

I just tore apart a good 90% of your bullshit about this guy

 

you guys poopooing this layoff, tell me something:

how many fighters can you name that were off for that long and came back 100%?

 

Sure there's a possibility. There is also a possibility that if he does get beaten, it's because the opponent was a better fighter. However, I'm guessing that possibility won't be entertained.
The amount of "rustyness", or whatever mitigating circumstance that can be contrived will simply be inflated to fill the space, & PBF will be deemed superior (to whoever beat him) anyway.
We shall see...

As far as his opposition is concerned, he hasn't yet fought the best guys he could fight, no rational person can deny that, but maybe there is still time. It's just a matter of whether he wants to risk it. My guess is he won't especially when so called "boxing fans" are happy to settle for "he would have beat them anyway", and assign him greatness/ consider him the best based on his hypothetical resume

Anyway, I've noticed that not many have actually answered the question what do they deem PBF ideal comeback weight to be...?

 

I figured you could field this question because you are the biggest Floyd cocklicker alive. What do you say about this nonsense that fLOYD IF FIGHTING a guy at 143 when said fighter has never fought above 135?

Hanz, makes a good point about what a fucking gay cunt Floyd is.

 

If he doesn't fight Marquez at 140....Floyd is a punk ass bitch



Pacquiao>>>>>>>>>>>mayweather

 

I am poopooing the layoff. He will have missed no more than 2 fights. He is a gym rat. THIS is just an excuse for the nuticks.

 

I saw a recent commercial Floyd did with AT&T and he ALREADY looks markedly different than he did when he foughtOscar at 154.

He has ALREADY cut the wieght for the Marquez fight and looks "smaller". I think the only reason the cathweight is 143 it's because it is to HIS benefit. It looks like he could make 140.

 

No one can beat Floyd

 

then go ahead and provide me with an example of a fighter who was 100% after an 18 month layoff

 

he could be 50% and still whup JMMif he loses he must be at about 10% and have the swine flu

 

thing is, not many people take such a layoff whilst still in their prime. Boxers who have entered this 'semi-retirement' generally do so in the twilight stages of their careers....regardless of lay-off time, their powers are waning.

Floyd, at just 30, was sitting on top of the world and for a moment at least, was content with everything he had achieved, all the money etc... That is a very rare position to find yourself in


anyways, i am sure, that injury has enforced 18 month lay offs to some of boxing's greats, and they've come back without losing any of what they had less than 2 years earlier......i personally can't be arsed to trawl through boxrec in order to prove this point, when on July 18th, Floyd will probably do it for me.

The best i could come up with from my recent memory (which can be quite leaky) is Kostya Tszyu.....he wasn't at his physical prime, but he blitzed Sharmba Mitchell 22 months after beating JJ Leija in his previous outing....he then got taken out by Hatton of course, but i don't think the version that lost to the Hitman (but destroyed Mitchell) was any worse than the one that beat Leija

 

Think of that though... Mitchell and Leija?

Leija was a guy who's entire career revival was based on a technichal draw with HECTOR CAMACHO JR. and a decision over a faded (and never very good to begin with) Ivan Robinson... the reality is that Leija was an old, exceptionally easy opponent for Tszyu and Kostya still struggled with him... and Mitchell had already been beaten by Tszyu and was ahrdly anything special

I think its clear that Tszyu wasnt top notch at that time

and Mayweather isnt being asked to fight gimmes like Mitchell and Leija... he is being held to a much higher standard, ironically mostly by the very same people who insist hes nothing special anyway... they want him to fight Cotto and Pacman off the layoff... thats just a tad ridiculous in my opinion

18 months is a long time in boxing

 

I am curious to see what fighters folks bring up as examples.

 

yeah, i made it quite clear that the two aren't directly comparable....and given Floyd's circumstances, it is tough to find a comparable situation

I'm not prepared to go into detail, analysing Tszyu's post-prime career....the simple point i was making was, in his mid thirties, Tszyu was able to take 22 months off and looked pretty much like the same fighter he was before.

A better example is Diego Corrales, who had a two year layoff and came back pretty good....conveniently shoot holes in that one too if you like (maybe you'll tell me that Diego probably had fights in prison, so therefore pretty much remained active)

 

Corrales is a good example

"Conveniently shoot holes"?? Leija and Mitchell were easy opponents for KT at that time... how could anyone dispute that?

Corrales fought his best opposition (save Mayweather) after being in the joint, so thats different, and its a good example

 

brother Cdogg.. were you gonna use that?

 

certainly not, because thats an idiotic thing to use

but I would point out that Corrales was coming back at his prime weight, was younger in boxing terms than Floyd is now, and had tuneups before facing top opposition

Those things definitley do not apply to Floyd Mayweather at this time

 

How convenient.

 

I like that he even thought of that as something that you might use. LOL

 

some people underestimate others, LOL

 

A fighter being affected by a lay-off isn't just about time away. There are other factors involved.

Lifestyle, ring mileage, physical giftedness, fighting style, etc...

Mayweather is an excellent physical specimen. Say what you will about his excesses outside the ring, but the guy stays in shape. Odometer-wise, he's far from being banged up either.

Plus, he's only 32.

The difficulty he'll have when he returns to the ring is his sense of timing. The muscle memory is still there, but getting it to up to speed is part of the ring rust he'll have to shake off after spending time away.