ROACH PRICING MANNY OUT OF FLOYD FIGHT/DUCKING SHANE

Just read an interview with Roach who says they don't really care if the Floyd fight happens or not, and that it would only work 60/40 in their favor and not in Floyd's. So now Floyd has his out for not fighting Pac next, this will go like the aborted RJJ-Hopkins rematch.

Also, Roach says Shane would need to come down in weight to fight Manny. He says he'd like it to be around 143-144, but says it's all negotiable.

Shane says both Floyd and Pac should be looking to face him. He even sent Floyd this message: "Floyd, quit running. Stop running. Stop saying that, oh, you know, I'm not a pay-per-view attraction, oh this or that. I've been fighting longer than you. I've been making money longer than you. That's probably why you're coming back to the sport right now is because you need money, you lost your money, now you had to come back and get some more money. We can make money together, alright? So let's do it."

I guess the only fight that will get made next is a Cotto-Mosley rematch providing Cotto can beat Clottey convincingly. Floyd's pride will never accept taking less money than the lost 3x's Pacquioa so that fight won't get made.

Neither Floyd or Pac are acting like serious welterweights and so we shouldn't talk as if they are. From this point on I don't consider either one to be welters. I consider them both 140lb fighters, or some type of hybrid catchweight specialists who use weights to their advantage.

 

Floyd-Pac will happen for sure. Theres way too much money to pass up there. Even 40% will be around a $15,000,000 guarantee.

 

Mayweather should be happy w/ 40%....

 

Because he's been making MORE money and PPV #'s than Manny?

Makes sense. :doh:

 

I wouldn't bet on it. Did you not see how pissed PBF got with the very mention of Pac in that one video? Also think about how much PBF considers himself to be the money guy. I can't see his pride accepting a backseat to Pac. Also Floyd is definitely dumb enough to put pride over common sense.

 

Pacquiao isn't a "real" welterweight, so why should he act like one?

Mosely is what he is; good fun to watch, but no star.

 

144 lbs and 40% is only a means to the 50/50 147 lb end for pacq and floyd.

 

Manny beat the guy that most considered to be the champion at 140. Why would anyone consider him a WW? Because he came up and fought Oscar for big money? No he clearly wasn't staying there. Need evidence? He weighed 138 in fighting Hatton.

 

Someone Needs to Tell Roach to Stick to TRAINING & Shut his WANNABE Promoting Ass Up....

REED Heard Roach Spouting his BULLSHIT Last Night about How Manny Pac is "The Draw" in a Fight w/Floyd:boohoo:....The FACT is EVERY ONE of Floyd's Fights, Against COMMON Opponents, Grossed MORE than Pac's Fights Did...So WHEREthefuck Does Roach Get this Idea that Manny is "The Draw"???...

Floyd-Dela SHITTED on Pac-Dela...Floyd-Hatton OUTSOLD Pac-Hatton...& Floyd-Marquez will SHIT on Pac-Marquez...50-50 MAYBE (MORE Like 55-45 for Floyd)...But if Pac's REALLY Gonna Hold Out for a 60-40 Split, it's Because he DOESN'T Really Want to Fight Floyd...

Simple as That...


REED:mj:

 

He's Done BETTER Business than Pac has, Illuminati...Against COMMON Opponents...If Pac & Roach R SERIOUS about Floyd Taking 40% it Means they DON'T Want to Fight Floyd...The BEST Pac Can REALISTICALLY Ask for is 50-50, but More like 55-45 (In Floyd's Favor), Based on PPV History...


REED:hammert:

 

It's a way to stick it to chickensh*t Fairyweather. I'm glad! :bears: Manny and Roach telling Floyd straight up to go f*ck himself! :kidcool: Manny doesn't need Gayweather. Gayweather needs to stop ducking and go out there and fight Shane Mosley. Mosley is at 147 just like Floyd. That's the fight that should be happening right NOW!
As far as I'm concerned, Manny is worth more than Floyd when it comes to the entertainment dollar. Next time you see half the arena exit during the 9th round of Pacquiao's fight the way they did during Floyd/Baldomir or yelling "UFC....UFC" and booing like hell after Floyd/Oscar, let me know. We can make a thread on it talking about why Floyd's boring bitch ass deserves more than Pacquaio. He doesn't deserve more than Pacquiao. Pac is the king of the Phillippines. Floyd is the king of ducking and doging real challengers.

 

U're a LIVING Example of WHY Floyd DESERVES a Bigger Cut than Manny Does, Hanz...U HATE Floyd MORE than U LIKE ANY Current Fighter...U'd B HAPPIER Seeing Floyd LOSE than Watching ANY Current Fighter WIN...

U're the Guy that will SPEND Money on a Floyd PPV, PRAYING he'll Lose...U're even MORE Likely to Invest Money in Floyd than his So-Called "Nuthuggers" R....AGAIN, Floyd vs. Dela CONSIDERABLY OUTSOLD Pac vs. Dela...Floyd vs. Hatton Did BETTER #'s than Pac vs. Hatton...& Floyd vs. Marquez WILL OUTSELL Pac-Marquez II, Meaning there's Absolutely NOfuckingREASON that Pac Should Get a LARGER Cut than Floyd Gets...

50-50 BEST Case Scenario for Pac...REALISTICALLY 55-45...



REED:hammert:

 

Floyd f*cking sucks. He's dead broke needing money. Why the f*ck should Manny give him anything? Manny owes him nothing! Call it ducking if you want but when it comes to ppv, Pacquaio represents what boxing is all about. He represents the days of Hagler, Hearns, Duran, and young Mike Tyson. When boxing was about knocking guys the f*ck out brutally! Floyd Mayweather represents a cocksucker who ducks real fighters and looks for easy fights for the most money. A guy afraid to get hit and who cries cause he can't get no love. He's lost his P4P claim. And he has no real legacy. When Floyd left boxing in 2007, there was NOT a single thread about him for all the time that he was gone. Because nobody gave a sh*t about whether he boxed or not.
His popularity is not on or anywhere near the level of the past greats like Tyson and De La Hoya who were the true kings of PPV.
Floyd is a guy who came along at the right time when all the stars got old, shot and retired. When RJJ was in his prime, and when Trinidad, Oscar, Lennox, Tyson, Holyfield, etc were blowing up ppv, nobody here gave a sh*t or even mentioned Floyd.

 

REED, from what I know, neither Floyd or Pac are begging eachother to make the fight.:::laughing: I think based on what I've read and seen thus far, both guys are willing to go about their own business and make their own money. It's up to the public to push for this fight. Otherwise this fight ain't gonna happen. And as far as I'm concerned, the challengers out there for Floyd are plentiful. And it starts with Shane Mosley at 147. The same Shane Mosley who whacked out the guy Floyd ducked for years.

 

Floyd-Dela > Pac-Dela
Floyd-Hatton > Pac-Hatton
Floyd-Marquez > Pac-Marquez II

The BOTTOM LINE is what Matters, Hanz...Not All that Other BULLSHIT YOU'RE Spewing...The Fact that U LOATHE Floyd is Actually a SELLING POINT in Floyd's Favor...


REED:mj:

 

The Same Guy Floyd had 30 or 40 MILLION Reasons to "Duck"???...


REED:kidcool:

 

I think the Hatton fights are real CLOSE. Floyd by approx 50k. Marquez remains to be seen.

Everyone and their brother knows what's going to happen. Word is, no catchweight, full 147. There will be no SUSPENSE at all. Just the kind of risk Floyd loves and boxing fans hate.

I think Pacman and Floyd NEED each other. Who else are they going to fight? If Pacman remains at 140, he just beat the best fighter in the division. If he fights Bradley, he'll do more than the 325k Floyd did with Judah.

Floyd has more options because he is a true welter. He could fight....hmmmm. Shane MOSLEY.

 

Mosley, may not be a star but he's a name and his name is just as big if not bigger than Manny's or Hatton's. You can count the stars in boxing on 1 hand.

Also I agree with your point about Pac acting like a WW. I only said that because as soon as Pac beat Hatton everyone was thinking of potential matchups with guys like Mosley, and Cotto rather than guys in the lower divisions.

 

If Pacquiao ends up fighting Cotto, Mayweather or Mosley next..or before the year is out.. he is NOT DUCKING ANYBODY.....:fightme:

 

Yeah Mayweather has done better in PPV's....but if "Money" needs money...then he has to take that Pacquiao fight.

40% from a Pac fight is still more than 55-60% he would get from a Cotto/Mosley fight...and the Pac fight IMO is more winnable for Mayweather..

 

I know he is banned and doesn't deserve the spotlight ever again, BUT I'll buy my first Floyd PPV fight to see him against Margarito. :crafty:

 

You got to think too, that Floyd has been in the WWE and on a tv commercial. So I think it's likely more people know Floyd than Pac :dunno:

 

But the Guy who's Sold MORE PPV's NEVER Takes 40% from a Dude who's Sold LESS Against Common Opponents???...So WHY Should Floyd Take the SHORTER End of the Stick from a Guy who's Thus Far Proven to B LESS of a Draw than he Is???...

U Can ALSO Say that Manny would Get MORE for Fighting Floyd than he Would Cotto or Mosley....Bottom Line, Roach & Pac AREN'T in a Position to Demand MORE than Floyd...No Way in Hell...



REED:hammert:

 

Come on Reed. Floyd's excuses for not fighting every good challenger out there is whacked and you're buying into it like a typical Floyd groupie. Did you even watch the whole 14 minute Floyd/Brian Kenny video? Floyd actually believed he was responsible for selling the DLH fight even despite the fact that Oscar is the biggest ppv draw in history. Floyd also said he doesn't need to fight Mosley cause he's got "5 losses and all these guys are beating eachother!"
Why don't you grow a sack and address this sh*t if you're really a true boxing fan instead of being a Floyd fanatic and buying into his bullsh*t?
It's obvious the man is scared of losing. He's scared to death that if he loses, his whole career will be trashed and will lose all box office appeal. Come on Reed! It's all right there in your face. How are you gonna deny what's so plainly obvious?
Your hero Floyd is SCARED TO LOSE! And he knows he CAN lose. He's a businessman trying to make as much money as he possibly can with the least amount of risk. He's not a f*ckin' warrior of any sort. He doesn't even belong in the same universe as warriors like Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier.
This guy really needs to get his ass knocked the f*ck out!

 

For those that claim that PBF needs Manny are seriously mistaken. Name another fighters in the 140lb division where Manny makes Hatton/DLH type money. The only way Manny makes big money is if he fights guys at 147lbs. That's where all the big name stars are at. PBF can fight Marquez and then go on to fight Mosley which will make him big money as well as the Cotto fight. I'll Holla 5000

 

If U're Not Gonna Actually PAY ATTENTION to What REED Says, he's Gonna Stop Responding to your General Forum Posts, Hanz...Have U EVER Heard REED Saying he "Bought Into" or "Believed" Even a PORTION of what Floyd has Said???...NO...So Take the TROLLish, "Grow a Sack", "Groupie" BULLSHIT Elsewhere, Dude...

Of Course, Dela is the Highest Seller of PPV EVER...But Guess What, his BIGGEST Seller EVER was Against Floyd Mayweather...NOT JC Chavez, NOT Fernando Vargas, NOT Manny Pac, NOT Bernard Hopkins, NOT Tito Trinidad...FLOYD MAYWEATHER...If Floyd was 100% Irrelevant to the Sales of his Bout w/Dela, then Some Other Dela Bout would B THE Biggest Selling PPV Ever....




REED:boohoo:

 

Yes..Yes Mayweather has done better PPV numbers.....he has come out of retirement for one thing...and one thing only make the most amount of money while risking very little of that undefeated record of his...thats why Mayweather doesn't want to think of Mosley or Cotto....he clearly came back for that Manny Pacquiao money....

After Marquez..what is Mayweather going to do??? Fight a Bradley? maybe Berto...? Mayweather is stuck....HBO probably won't be throwing much money at him to fight these 2nd tier guys...


For both Pac and Mayweather...it's each other next...or Cotto/Mosley...anything else would be unthinkable...

Pacquiao has other options thats why he is throwing out the 60%....at the end neither one will get 55-60%.....it will be 50/50....

 

Mayweather could do that...but he really sounds like he doesn't want to fight those guys at 147.....Pacquiao is the one talking about fighting Cotto/Mosley....

Mayweather???....Who Mosley the guy with 5 losses....who got beat by Cotto..who was beat by Margarito...come on NOBODY BEATS ME....:laughing::laughing:

 

Floyd has not yet fought Marquez, so we can't say what the PPV numbers will be. Pac-Hatton and Floyd-Hatton are for all practical purposes equal in terms of PPV revenue.

Really Floyd's only legitimate claim here, in terms of making a greater cut in a Manny-Floyd fight would be Floyd/DLH outselling Pac/DLH.

But if you really analyze that fight, and maybe even all of Floyd's big PPV fights, you will see that there were reasons having nothing to do with Floyd that may have boosted his numbers. For example, Hatton was undefeated when he fought Floyd, and practically everyone here has stated ad nauseum that the 32-0 record unjustly "outshines" the 45-3-1 record any day of the week when it comes to appealing to non-hardcore fans.. the kind of fans you NEED to appeal to to get big PPV numbers.

After losing to Floyd horribly, I think it's very fair to say Hatton lost some appeal to casual boxing fans. I would also argue that after the DLH/Floyd fight, and then DLH/Forbes fight, (in both if which Oscar looked like crap and many felt he was DONE, the Forbes fight was seen as a joke by ALL fans) Oscar started to be seen ever so slightly amongst even casual fans as sort of a washed up hanger-on looking for big paydays. Which of course, he was. So frankly I would expect Oscar's PPV numbers to be trending down at this point in his career anyway. Floyd also was truly peaking in popularity around the DLH fight, which has certainly changed now, I'll get to that in a minute.

Also, you must take into account that Manny has really fought anonymity his whole career, as he never really broke hard into markets outside of the Phillipines until late in his career. I mean, Floyd was pretty much on HBO since he was in diapers, and Manny barely got on in a fight he was supposed to lose 6 YEARS into his career. So Floyd has benefitted from truly insane amounts of name-dropping and general HBO drooling for many, many years, where Pacman did not and really has had to catch up. Historically, you could say that there was a severe inequality in how the 2 fighters were treated by media & the big boxing networks, and Manny had to overcome that.

I think now, after both besting DLH.. and now Hatton... in front of truly enormous WORLD markets, and in the WAY Manny did it... I think now you are going to see a substantial penetration into the vast array of casual fans, whereas Floyd has nowhere to go in this regard (and is probably going backwards if anything) due to unimpressive displays in big fights for many years, and a general reluctance to face truly dangerous opponents. Worse still for Floyd, which none of you Floyd defenders seem to bring up, is that while he plunged into obsolecense and obscurity during his "retirement" (and no one even gave a fuck), Manny has done nothing but build up his notariety.

My brother is the kind of guy who talks to me once a year about boxing, and it's "Tyson" this, "Oscar" that... but he came over last week and was dying to see Pac/Hatton. The word is finally out there now, even amongst one-fight-a-year fans, Pacman is the shit. Floyd is barely a blip on the radar now.

TO sum it up in a nutshell... Floyd may or may not have been a bigger draw in the past... but he sure as HELL ain't anymore. Pacman's destruction of Hatton has pretty much assured that.

Put another way, 2-3 years ago you ask 1,000 casual American fans of boxing who they'd rather see fight, Floyd or Manny, more say Floyd. Why? Simple.. out of 1,000 casual fans in the US, more had SEEN Floyd fight! Now let's pretend those same 1,000 fans actually got to SEE Manny's last 2 fights.... you're going to tell me Manny doesn't win that contest overwhelmingly?

Well guess what? I think we're finally at the point where those 1,000 fans actually DID see Manny's last 2 fights. And they're gonna be hungry for more.