ROACH PRICING MANNY OUT OF FLOYD FIGHT/DUCKING SHANE

There's NO Chance of Floyd-Marquez Selling LESS than Pac-Marquez, Dude...NONE Whatsoever...& "All Practical Purposes" NEVER Applies to PPV Sells, the BOTTOM LINE Does...Floyd-Hatton OUTSOLD Pac-Hatton...PERIOD...

Hatton DIDN'T Lose "Horribly" To Floyd...The Fight was COMPETITIVE til about the Mid Point, then Floyd Took Over & Spectacularly KO'ed him...It WASN'T the Type of Fight that HURT Hatton's Appeal Because he was MOVING UP & Facing the "Best Fighter in the World, Lb for Lb"...

Dela Hoya Could Sell PPV's Against ANYBODY...There's NATHAN to Base your Opinion of Dela's "Dwindling" Appeal on...Basically, U're HOPING that Manny is a Bigger Draw, when #'s CLEARLY SHOW OTHERWISE...

Floyd-Dela > Pac-Dela
Floyd-Hatton > Pac-Hatton
AFTER Floyd-Marquez OUTSELLS Pac-Marquez there'll B Absolutely, Positively NOfuckingWAY Pac can Demand MORE than Floyd...Your SPECULATORY Post is an ATTEMPT @ Explaining How Manny Can CONCEIVABLY Become a Bigger Draw than Floyd...Unfortunately HARDCORED PPV #'s HAVEN'T Validated That...

Also, U Make it Seem like Floyd was just a PASSENGER Being Carried to PPV Heights...Again, if that WERE the Case, Dela-Tito, Dela-Bernard, Dela-Vargas, Dela-Pac, Dela-Chavez or Any Number of Dela PPV's would've Sold MORE than Floyd-Dela...



REED:hammert:

 

I HOPE we see it and we SHOULD cuz of th $$ involved but Pac man don't want none.. him and freddie both know that Pac will get embarassed and probably stopped

 

all that is well and good, outlander. but I'm guessing many casual fan's opinions will be swayed when mayweather jr beats up pacquiao.

barring an outrageously successful buyrate for the marquez fight I tend toI advocate a 50/50 splits. realistically the facts dictate that mayweather jr deserves a bigger split, all the stuff you wrote is speculatory.

 

I hear what you are saying but Pacquiao like PBF has very limited options as far as making major major money. From what Roach is saying he will only fight Mosley/Cotto they come down in weight which Cotto has already stated that he won't do so that only leaves Shane and we don't know if Shane will go below 147 for the fight. If Shane chooses not to go below 147 along with Cotto and then they refuse to take 50-50 for the fight with PBF then that only leaves the same second tier fighters and he's not making top dollars fighting those cats. So both cats need each other equally. However PBF does have more options because he can very easily make Shane/Cotto fights. Just my thoughts. I'll Holla 5000

 

It was that newly created 24/7 HBO special leading down that brought in a whole bunch of new fans and caused widespread interest in DLH/Floyd. A new marketing tool that worked wonders for the fight. Kinda like how The Ultimate Fighter was responsible for bringing in tens of millions of new fans overnight for the UFC. Reality tv is where it's at! The best promotional tool in existence.:kidcool:

 

that doesn't explain why pacquiao delahoya did about a million less buys despite having a 24-7.

mayweather jr's behavior sells fights, people want to see him beat. you'll be watching everytime he fights. whether it be at your uncle sangrit's adobe hut or on some shitty internet stream

 

On this point I have to disagree. For Boxing fans like you and me, yeah what you say is true. To casual fans it definitely hurt the appeal. The fight was marketing as 'someones 0 has to go'. In the end it was Hattons and it was a comprehensive beating.

In regards to the split, it should be 50-50. If Floyd hadn't retired I'd agree he deserves more. The fact remains that he did and in my opinion it was to avoid fights that presented risk with less reward then he'd like.

Right now, Floyd is acting like Roy Jones did in picking and choosing opponents based on 'worthiness'. We all know how that ends. Say what you want about DLH, Shane and their losses but at least they made the big fights happen regardless of records.

The best thing that could happen for Floyd in my opinion as a boxing fan is that he loses a fight and realises that it doesn't mean your career is over. Look at Manny.

 

Thats pretty much how I see it BigDawg.. People act like Floyd don't have any options.. If the Pac fight don't come off he will most likely fight Mosley or Cotto..

 

I can't see why a lot of people don't realize that.. So many fans tune in to Mayweathers fights because they wanna see him lose.. There's the fans of the fighter he's fighting, The fans that hate him, and his fans tuneing in and like you said he knows how to sell a fight better then most fighters out there..

 

True he may not be a Welter but those are the only fights he looking to make now.. I don't see him fighting any of the Jr. Welters because there is no money there and Floyd can fight Mosley or Cotto and next and be straight..

 

I used to watch John Ruiz fight too. So now what? :dunno::: As for watching Floyd fight, yeah....I do! For free! Never put a penny into his pocket. He's already making mega millions anyway and losing most of it. Sr says his boy will be dead broke before 40. I say sooner....likely 36.

 

So Floyd Mayweather is Analogous to John Ruiz???...



REED:shit:

 

I hope the Pacman fight doesn't come off. If Floyd wants to be a welter than that's who he should be fighting. I want to see how he weasles his way out of facing Shane, Cotto, or even Clottey.

That's it! After the JMM fight he'd better face one of those guys or at the very least Pacquiao or he's going to inheirit ODLH's old sir name, "Chicken".

Chicken Mayweather, that'll be his new name. In fact Floyd will probably take Manny's lower percentage offer if it keeps him from having to fight the real welters of the world.

 

brother REED, you've hit the nail on the head as cleanly as possible...

 

If Floyd don't fight Manny he will have to fight Shane or Miguel/Clottey. Nobody else is going to help him get the money that he demands.

 

This is what kills me. Who gives a rats ass about him losing his money. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't his money to spend. He earned the shit and if he wants to blow the shit then that's his business. PBF ain't sitting around telling us how we should spend our money so why in the world are people worried about how he is spending his money. Ya'll act like ya'll are losing money if he goes broke. I gotta a secret for you guys. If PBF goes broke your stock in your profolio will not go down! I'll Holla 5000

 

If you managed to stay awake during the piece of sh*t that was Floyd/Baldomir, then I'd say yes. At least Ruiz tried to fight the best fighters in the world. Floyd on the other hand....
We're not talking skill level, we're talking bang for the entertainment buck. And I know YOU never paid to see Floyd fight, REED. You just watch some lousy internet stream if it's available or follow the round by round on here like everybody else.

 

Just as long as he's got suckers like you and REED to help pay his bills, it's all good with Floyd. I don't give a crap what he does with his money. What I do give a crap about is that he's cheating the public out of their money by handpicking his fights instead of fighting the real challengers in his weight class. Why do you think boxing is a dying sport? It's because of fighters like Floyd who treat this as nothing more than a circus where you can just make your own weight classes, pick whoever you want to fight and jip people out of their money.
You don't see that sh*t in the NBA or tennis or anywhere else where teams or players decide who the f*ck they wanna play. Only in the circus that is boxing where the bogus ranking system is all for show. Real fighters fight the best fighters to prove they're the best. On this board, everybody regards Floyd as the best after having done f*ck all. Who the f*ck did he beat in their prime? A shot Sharmba Mitchell? Clown Judah coming off the Baldomir loss? A shot inactive Oscar who would've raped Floyd's ass in his prime? Gatti?
Come on dawg! Floyd is a f*cking farce. He's making a sucker out of you by actually making you believe that he's this P4P king. The guy ain't sh*t! He ain't no warrior! Look how defensive he gets in that Brian Kenny video. He knows he's getting called out and he ain't got no material to back his sh*t up. The dude is about to cry cause he can't get no love. He doesn't give a f*ck about boxing or boxing fans. He just wants the easiest path to load his bank account without taking any risks whatsoever and trying to hold every conceiveable advantage. P4P my ass! The guy actually admitted in the Brian Kenny video that he's only in the sport for money, not because he wants to prove his P4P claim by fighting the best fighters in the world. How the hell can you go around supporting a guy like this who's trying to take your money? The guy retired in the first place to avoid Margarito, Cotto, Williams, etc. Now he's back and saying "Why do I gotta fight these guys, they're all beating eachother!"
Come on dawg! Is this really a warrior who's making our sport look good? This guy needs his f*cking brain splattered all over the ring!

 

Who gives a FUCK!!!!!!!

Before the year is over......a fight will be made involving 2 of these guys fighting each other.....Cotto, Mosley, Mayweather and Pacquiao....




hopefully Cotto and Mayweather win their upcoming fights....

 

Fair enough, these are good points.

But I would ask why you are so sure Marquez/PBF will outsell Marquez/Pac in terms of PPV? I would say you're right, but not because of Floyd. He will probably in fact draw less now than he might have pre-retirement when he was more on the forefront of boxing. Marquez on the other hand has the distinction now of being the guy everyone mentions along with you-know-who whenever the question of "Who can beat Pac?" comes up. JMM' popularity & notariety have gone waaaayyyy up due to his great fights with Pac & then his move to lightweight (a far more notable division than those below it) where he beat 2 great fighters in 2 GREAT fights.

Is Marquez not bigger than EVER right now? He was once essentially a harcore fan or Mexican fan only boxer.... now he's penetrated the casual fan's world big time, not only because of his competition & victories, but again because of the WAY he wins.

And I'm sorry REED, but being dominated for 9 rounds and then being KO'd and having your face run into the turnbuckle is, in fact, "losing horribly". The official cards had Hatton winning what.. maybe one round? How much worse can an undefeated fighter really lose, especially to PBF? Floyd couldn't even stop Zab Judah for god's sake.

Like him or hate him, Hatton definitely lost something in that fight, and he frankly was exposed as being rather predictable, one-dimensional, and amateurish. You lose lose like that in a fight that big, and you lose a huge chunk of casual fans along with it. You don't think Floyd's next PPV would suffer following a fight where HE was KO'd like that? From undefeated p4p to.. exposed? I do.

And finally, you are right, other than common sense I have no numbers to cite proving DLH can't draw as much in PPV fights. I only base it on the fact that mose guys in the twilight of their career who lost 4 of their last 7 fights, and most recently got the shit kicked out of them and quit while fighting a significantly smaller guy they were supposed to beat, don't do as well in PPV's as they did in or near their prime.

 

If Clottey's hands hold up, Cotto will be in a barnburner close fight. Because of the fight CONDITIONS, there is no doubt Mayweather is going to win. NONE.

 

Has anyone seen the commercial with PBF where some guy with a blackberry or something tries to be "faster" than PBF? It's hilarious. PBF comes off as the total dumb-ass that we all know him to be. And for some reason, his head is shaved.

 

Also, I think it's fair to say that Pac-ODH and Pac-Hatton couldn't help but do worse than PBF-ODH and PBF-Hatton.

ODH lost to PBF. And Hatton lost to PBF (by knock-out). These two events make Pacquiao's fights with them less attractive regardless of whether Pacquiao is a bigger draw than PBF or not.

Bottom Line: my guess is Pacquiao has three to four times more money in the bank than PBF.

 

Manny isn't exactly known for being prudent with his money.

 

I'll say this much...

Floyd's a bitch for ducking Cotto, Margarito and Mosley.
Floyd's a bitch for fighting Marquez at 147 OR 144 and not Mosley

Pacquiao WILL BE a bitch if he wants Mosley or Cotto at 144 after fighting Oscar at 147.

Floyd should have fought Mosley to legitimize any claim to being the best welterweight just as Pac beat the best guy at 140 to legitmize himself as the best junior welterweight.

 

very true...not wise about collecting, not wise about spending and not wise about paying taxes here.

Murad Muhammad and Gary Shaw ripped him off.

 

Floyd vs Oscar = Oscar was still considerd a threat, especially with Floyd coming up to 154.

Floyd vs Hatton = Hatton was still undefeated.

Floyd vs JMM hasn't even fucking happened yet and even if it does do bigger numbers than Pac vs JMM, you're comparing a WW fight to a Jr LW fight. When in the history of boxing has a Jr LW fight done more than Pac vs Marquez 2 ?

 

I hope Pac doesn't take the fight. I'm sure Floyd fans would love it if he took on two lightweights in a row, but it's time he started facing guys in the same weight class as he's been in for YEARS now. Bring on Mosley, Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, Cintron, Williams. Anyone in the top ten at 147 for gods sake.

 

Pac vs. DLH was nowhere close to the success of May vs. DLH


but


Pac vs. Hatton was very close to May vs. Hatton success...and that was Pacquiao just being boxer Pacquiao....no tv shows....no wrestling....just a testement of how high Manny Pacquiao star has gone....not an american...can barely speak english......