ROACH PRICING MANNY OUT OF FLOYD FIGHT/DUCKING SHANE

Yeah they use the excuses that Marquez is P4P #2 in the world...."ohh how can u shit on Mayweather he is fighting the 2nd best guy in the world, only Mayweather will get criticize for fighting one of the best fighters in the world"....

They fail to see or mention is that the guy is jumping to divisions to fight May at 147...hey maybe next he fights Calderon or Darchin...those guys are also top 10 P4P....artie:

 

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So WHEN (Not If but WHEN) Floyd-Marquez Does BETTER than Pac-Marquez, that WON'T B Because of Floyd Either???...So U're HONESTLY Telling REED that Floyd will have had ZERO Input on ALL of his Fights OUTSELLING Pac's Fights w/Common Opponents???...This Type of "Logic" AMUSES REED, yet when REED Points it Out, he's Labeled a "Nuthugger (Not by YOU, Thankfully...REED Actually APPRECIATES the CIVILITY Of this Particular Debate, Dog)...

Sure, Dela was THE DRAW when he Fought Floyd...Sure, Hatton Brought Tens of THOUSANDS of Fans to America, when he Fought Floyd...But there's NOeffingWAY Marquez will B THE DRAW when he Faces Floyd...NO WAY!!!...This is Floyd's RETURN Fight, he's ARGUABLY Still THE BEST In the World Lb for Lb & he's STILL UNDEFEATED...& if HBO Dedicates a 24/7 to that Fight, Floyd will IRK Everyone into Purchasing the Fight, just as he Did his Other 2 Times on 24/7...

REED Gets your Point about the Floyd-Hatton Fight, but REED GENUINELY Believes that the Loss to Floyd DIDN'T Hinder Hatton's Marketability...Did FEWER Brits Come to America for his Last Bout???...Did FEWER Brits Attend his Comeback Fight vs. Lazcano???...Hatton was STILL Undefeated @ 140 & Facing a SMALLER Man in Pac, so there was NO Reason for Fewer of his Fans to Purchase the Pacquiao Fight...

So in a Nutshell, U DO Believe that Floyd was just a PASSENGER who was Carried & DRIVEN to PPV Heights by Virtue of his OPPONENTS???...U DO Believe that Floyd Played NO ROLE Whatsoever in the Succes of his PPV's, but on the Flipside, U're Prepared to Tell REED that Pac had EVERYTHING to Do w/the Success of HIS PPV's???...

Nice Usage of "Common Sense"...

REED::

 

It's SAD when U're Soooooooo FULL of HATE that U Can't Even Enjoy an INTENTIONALLY Funny Commercial...Bill Curtis Makes MONEY From Speaking & Floyd was There just 2 B Floyd, yet Leave it to YOU to Find a NEGATIVE Slant to Exploit...


REED:shit:

 

So like Others, U're FULLY Prepared to Give Floyd ZERO Credit for Being a BIGGER Draw than Pac, even AFTER he has 3 CONSECUTIVE Fights that OUTSELLs Pac's???....


REED::

 

REED...I've got a question for you...

You saw Floyd give the reason that Mosley isn't a PPV attraction as the reason he wouldn't fight him, no?

Marquez has fought once on PPV...on a show that did what...around or less than 300,000 PPV buys.

Mosley has been on PPV how many times? Five or six times?

Now before anyone spouts off and say Oscar was the draw in two fights or 'nando was the draw in the other fights be VERY careful there...if oscar and 'nando detract from Mosley being a PPV draw, the same holds true for mayweather in the DLH and Hatton fights.

The bottom line...Floyd's afraid to fight Mosley. Simply a tougher fight than he'd care to ever engage in.

 

By the Tone of your Questioning, it's Almost as if U EXPECT REED to JUSTIFY Floyd NOT Facing Shane, Muzse...But the Fact is, REED WANTS that Fight to Happen & HAS Wanted it to Happen for SEVERAL YEARS NOW...

Floyd vs. Shane WOULDN'T Break Any PPV Records, but it'd B a SUCCESSFUL Promotion N REED's Opinion...BOTH Guys R ON the Mainstream Radar, Regardless of WHO Helped them Get There...

But if U're HONESTLY Gonna Accuse Floyd of Being "Afraid" of Mosley, What's YOUR Take on Shane NOT Facing Floyd After the RE w/Vargas???....Does the Same "Hold True" In THAT Instance???...



REED:dunno:

 

Seriously? You're asking the question seriously?

When Shane was asked about facing Mayweather and he said he didn't know about it...don't you think, as a Golden Boy partner, the company had already discussed Oscar's next fight which was about Mayweather.

By that time initial discussions had already begun and you don't think it was a ploy from mayweather's team to throw out Mosley's name?

Don't forget, talks broke down more than once because Floyd wanted concessions from Oscar and got none. Finally accepted what was offered.

have you forgotten or was that a rhetorical question?

here are a few bits to refresh your memory...the rest of the mayweather bandwagon take notice so you can stop asking the same rhetoical question.

This article discusses Mayweather turning down the Margarito fight...you'll see Rafael talking about the possibility of DLH-Mayweather a full year before it happened...in fact this was before Mosley's rematch fight with Vargas (which took place that July).

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382


Mosley talking about why he wouldn't fight Floyd in November prior to the Vargas rematch. Mind you, Floyd PAID to get away from Arum...do you think he'd turn around and make a deal with Arum. This is clearly an attempt to cut off Floyd's options by Shane/Golden Boy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?columnist=rafael_dan&id=2512043


This is after Floyd beat Baldomir...the DLH fight had been on the table for a bit and Floyd simply needed to win...which reflected in how he fought that night.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/06/sports/othersports/06boxing.html


Lastly, I absolutely believe Floyd is afraid to fight Shane. The only time Shane's name has come out of his mouth is when it was impossible for them to fight. No different than Calzaghe calling out Roy for "years" when the truth is, he called out Roy for a fight at 168 four and five years after Roy left the division.


Any other questions?

 

Hell YES, REED is Asking the Question SERIOUSLY, Because U'll EASILY OVERLOOK THE FACT that Floyd NOW has his Sights SET on Manny Pac AND U'll Throw Out this "SCARED" Nonsense, but when the Situation is REVERSED, U GRANT Shane EVERY Excuse Under the Sun...

Shane was THERE as a VIABLE Opponent, but he Cited His WIFE, a Pre-Planned Vacation & Other BULLSHIT for why he WOULDN'T B Facing Floyd...But NOW, the Fight Ain't Happening Because Floyd's "SCARED"???...So AGAIN, when Floyd has BIGGER Fish to Fry, he CAN'T Use the SAME Fucking Behind-the-Scenes Business Related EXCUSE that Shane Did???...

While U're Posting Links, Find the 1 where Merchant ASKS Shane about Facing Floyd, in a Post-Fight Interview...BECAUSE Floyd-Dela Talks Broke Down, that's ALL THE MORE Reason why Shane SHOULD have Stepped Up & Faced Floyd...

Say what U WANT about Floyd...But Claiming he's "Scared" Of Shane is SILLY, when U Consider that Shane BALKED @ Fighting Floyd a Couple Years Back...Floyd vs. Shane would've Only HEIGHTENED a Floyd vs. Dela Bout...



REED:shit:

 

Couple things REED...common sense business reasons here...

1). Floyd has no roadblocks in dealing with Golden Boy...he's done it before and Marquez is a Golden Boy fighter

2). Floyd makes the same money whether he fights Marquez or Mosley...smaller guy, less risk thus wants no part in Mosley.

3). Floyd cites Marquez calling him out as the reason for the fight, glossing over Shane making the call (and money offer) in January.

4). Floyd entering the fight as the welterweight champion vs the junior welterweight champion (pac) carries more historical significance

None of that is hate for Floyd, it's what happened. Instead of buying into rhetoric, stick to what went down.

I don't have an issue with Floyd buying his way out of the Top Rank contract. Was the smart business move. Floyd needed to do that to get the DLH fight. he didn't do it to get a fight with Shane.

To again refresh your memory, Top Rank and Golden Boy were at each other's throats over several items including the "deal" Golden Boy made with Oscar. Again...the fake source of Oscar wanting a piece of Manny.

Lastly, are you really READING my posts? Do note, the article where Mosley's talking about a Mayweather fight is the week of the Vargas fight. Why are you talking about a post-fight comment from Shane? If anything, why aren't you asking why Merchant asked a question which was already answered prior to the fight?

Cmon, really.

I'm not hating on Floyd, just pointing out what went down. At the time everyone KNEW why Mosley made those comments. I'm amazed at how quickly guys forget all in the name of defending Mayweather. <SHAKING head>

 

you two are arguing over spilt milk...::...phonetap highly doubts shane ever balked at fighting floyd and he also doesn't think floyd is "scared" of shane. what happened in the past is the past...debating that now is rather pointless. what happens from this point forward will dictate which boxer (concerning a matchup) is truly full of shit.

 

Precisely...and Floyd's answers to why he won't fight Shane are laughable. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what Mayweather devotees can't...

The Mosley fight is a much tougher fight than he wants on the heels of a potential fight with Pacquiao.

With that said, it also addresses REED "point" as to why Mayweather really wanted none of Shane with a potential DLH fight on the horizon. Today, it's much easier to deal with a counterpunching, non-physical guy with only two fights in a weight division you hadn't fought in for five years.

Stylistically, Mosley is the WORST possible guy for Mayweather (and Manny for that matter). A guy who can punch, has a chin, physical and has speed.

These are also reasons Roach wouldn't let pac get in the ring with Shane unless there's a major weight concession...his only hope of winning would be Shane in a depleted state like Oscar was.

Thus, Pac would be a bitch to make such a stipulation on Mosley or Cotto. Roach knows it, which is why he'd make that a stipulation.

 

REED KNOWS Shane WASN'T "Scared" of Floyd, REED is just EXPOSING Muzse's HYPOCRISY Since he'll GLADLY Place that Tag on Floyd while Simultaneously Bending Over BACKWARDS to Explain Why Shane DIDN'T Face Floyd, Back when the Opportunity Presented Itself...

Muzse Wants his Cake AND Lisa Nicole Carson Too...

REED:mj:

 

you said a mouthful, there. mayweather vs mosley sounds like a good matchup, on paper. I expect it to be dull if it ever happens.

 

The posts and subsequent articles prove what's staring REED in the face but is either unwilling to accept or can't grasp.

Fuck the cake, Lisa will do.

 

Only if Floyd fights like he did against baldomir or in the Castillo rematch.

It's not like Floyd will step to him like he did the bum in Miami or Sharmba Mitchell...two guys who couldn't punch.

 

Let's B CLEAR Here, Muzse...

1. Floyd ISN'T "Ducking" OR "Scared" of Shane Mosley...CLEARLY, he Put the Offer OUT THERE To Fight Shane...U Can Candycoat it, Gloss it Over, Give a Pedicure or WHATEVER U Like, but the Opportunity WAS There...

2. After a Layoff of Almost 2 Years, would U REALLY Expect Floyd to Face Shane Mosley???...That DOESN'T Make him "Scared", that Makes him SMART & if Anybody BUT Floyd Made a Decision as Such, U'd have NATHAN To Say about it...

3. CLEARLY, Manny Pac is THE BIGGEST Fight on Floyd's Horizon...By Facing Marquez, Floyd is Taking on a Guy FAMILIAR to Pac Followers AND Working Off Any Ring Rust @ the Same Time...

4. U're Buying Waaaaaaaaaaaay Toooooooo MUCH Into what Floyd Says (just like his HATERS Do)...For the Most Part, Floyd Mayweather is FULL OF SHIT when he Speaks...He's Badmouthing Shane Because it SUITS his CURRENT Purpose...But that DOESN'T Make him "Scared"...



REED:mj:

 

REED Knows FULL WELL that Floyd was NEGROtiating w/Dela, but You ADMITTED YOURSELF that those Talks Hit a SNAG...So Why WOULDN'T Shane Step Up & Fight???...Again, a Victory Over Shane would've Only Made Floyd-Dela even BIGGER...

U're Playing BOTH Sides of the Coin, Homegirl...U Wanna Call Floyd "Scared", while RATIONALIZING Shane's Reasons for NOT Accepting the Fight when it COULD Have Happened, Simultaneously...

So What U're Saying is, Shane WANTED the Floyd Fight All Along, but he was Toooooooo Caught Up being a Dela Dickriding YES MAN???....



REED:dunno:

 

1). Standing so firmly in this conviction, the shoe on the other foot means REED believes Floyd ducked Margarito?

2). Ali faced Frazier six months (and two fights in between) after a three year layoff...then again...that's what great fighters do.

3). Floyd claims to have been in training since the beginning of the year. Why fight the best lightweight at welterweight?

4). Not buying into anything Floyd says...pointing out his hypocrisy Floyd's enablers have given. if I thought the guy had a brain, I'd swear Ellerbe posted here.

 

What I've repeatedly said and has continuously eluded you...

Floyd mentioned Shane as a ploy

Shane turned down Floyd as a ploy

Schaefer handles negotiations for Golden Boy. Does it sound reasonable that he'd do the bait and switch with a bigger fight on the horizon?

Truth be told, if I'm Mosley I'd be looking for the exit (like Barrera) from Golden Boy. Mayweather had no leverage...the Marquez fight is a cash out fight for them with JMM.

They know Arum won't make the 3rd match with Pac and they'd rather get a piece of May-Pac promotion than have Mosley beat Mayweather and get a cut of nada. Arum isn't offering Pac to Mosley. Not after he watched Pavlik get dismantled.

Think with your head, not with your heart.

 

1. YOU'RE the 1 Playing the "Scared" Card, Homey...NOT REED:nono:...Floyd COULD Have Faced Margarito just as Shane COULD Have Faced Floyd, 1nce Upon a Time...Doesn't Make EITHER of them "Scared", as YOU'RE "Firmly" Standing to...

2. Floyd AIN'T Ali...Or even Roy Jones, for that Matter....
3. The Lightweight he's Fighting is on the Radar of Manny Pac Fans; U Know, the Guy Floyd's REALLY Trying to Fight???...It's Funny, YOU'RE the Guy that 1st Predicted Floyd would Come OUT of "Retirement" if Pac Beat Dela, but NOW U're Conveniently OVERLOOKING the Steps Floyd is Taking to MAKE the Pac Fight Happen...

4. U're Latching Onto Floyd's Rationale for NOT Facing Shane (Right Now), as if Floyd Won't Do a 180 & COMPLETELY CONTRADICT his Current Statements, if/when it's Time to Face Shane...



REED:hammert:

 

why would mayweather jr fight mosley instead of marquez when you claim the money is the same, muzse??

you'd make a terrible boxing manager.

why doesn't he just go up to middleweight and face williams for 1/3 as much? ::

 

Actually, I'm fairly consistent. As a fan, I want to see the best fights. As a mayweather apologists that rationale applies to all fights devoid of Floyd in your book.

As said, I'm fairly consistent. I liked Mosley more for fighting guys no one wanted to fight (Forrest and Wright) then insisting on immediate rematches when it wasn't in their best interest to do so.

You've heard me say the same in relationship to giving respect to Jermain Taylor for insisting on the immediate rematch with Pavlik.

heard me say the same in respect to Chad Dawson in how he fights.

I wasn't as critical of Roy Jones as others simply because he didn't have the guys around him like an Oscar or Mayweather has now.

As much as I despised Oscar, he pretty much fought everybody.

So what's Floyd's excuse...besides being a good "manager." if anything, as a Floydist, you've added fuel to my "Floyd is a bitch" bonfire.

Thanks for that. :bears:

 

Pertaining to Floyd, YOU'RE Waaaaaaaaaaaaay More GUILTY of that than REED Could EVER B....



REED:kidcool:

 

So Floyd's a 'Bitch" For Being a Good Manager, yet U're JUSTIFYING & APPLAUDING Sugar Shane for Being a Dela Dickriding YES MAN???....How Much "Credit" would U Give Shane for SHINING Dela's Shoe's for him???...


REED:hammert:

 

As much credit as I'd give you for supplanting Neil as the "cash cleanup" cat we saw in a past 24/7 episode for Floyd. ::

 

You know damn well that the numbers that Pac vs Marquez 2 did are HUGE considering what weight it was fought at.

Did Floyd do 400K PPV buys when he was a freaking Jr Lightweight? Nobody has. Floyd didn't even do that as a Jr Welterweight fighting Gatti.

Take away Pac's last two fights and look at his numbers. Would you disagree if I said Pac is becoming more of a draw?

Take away Floyd last two and look at his numbers. What made Floyd a big draw? See a pattern here? Hatton and DLH fights did. You are not giving Pac the same credit. It's as simple as that.

The Hatton vs Mayweather fight did a WHOPPING 25k more than Pac vs Hatton. Both guys are NOT undefeated and neither is an american. Think about that for a second.

 

If REED Isn't Mistaken, Floyd vs. Zab OUTSOLD ANY Pac PPV, Excluding the Dela & Hatton Bouts...So Go Ahead & "Take Away" Floyd's Last 2 PPV's...But in your Next Post, U'll Tell REED that Zab (Coming Off of an EMBARRASSING LOSS to Baldomir) was "The Draw", Right???...


REED::

 

Cintron? Are you serious? You wanna see that? Like Floyd would get props for whopping him.:laughing:

 

you weren't clamoring for a rematch when we sat there and watched wright whip mosley. you agreed he should retire.

anyhow, sure I'd rather see mayweather jr fight berto or cotto instead of marquez because they'd make for more exciting fights. mayweather jr vs mosley will be a BORING fight, mark my words. you may think mosley has what it takes to catch up to him, but I don't. the same way I felt a fight between mayweather jr and margarito would be boring.

the bottom line is that mayweather jr's fights will never be exciting against the bigger, more durable opponents.

 

Zab vs Floyd = 350,000
Pac vs JMM 2 = 400,000



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