Feather-fisted Brilliance

Nice attempt avoiding what I was asking you about. You said And the only fights he (Whitaker) didn't exhibit complete stink in were either against guys smaller than him or guys who couldn't punch.

And I showed you (with actual footage...not just useless generalizations) an example that disproves what you said. And instead of acknowledging that (as anyone WITH eyes and WITHOUT an agenada would do), you choose to cling to your BS theory of Whitaker only being a hit and hold type fighter.

Roger Mayweather was not smaller than Whitaker and he was a dangerous puncher, and there was Whitaker initiating the action, landing meaningful punches, hurting and knocking down Mayweather and FIGHTING TO WIN.

And as for your comments regarding Trinidad-Whitaker...it is telling as to how much you hate Whitaker that one of your favorite fights is one where age had stripped him of the physical tools he needed to win. The ONLY reason Whitaker lost that fight is because he was close to the end of his career.

And I am not going to "agree to disagree" with your theory that Whitaker was nothing but a spoiler who only fought "not to lose" because you are wrong.

 

So you plan to change my mind somehow? Good luck. Whitaker has brought me nothing but misery as a fighter, save for the Trinidad fight. Agree to disagree. If you don't, it implies you intend on changing my mind. You won't. And there's no right and wrong when it comes to my preference for styles, and my interpretation of them.

And it's not that I hate Whitaker. I just hate his illegal style of fighting. And Trinidad, with his timing and distance robbed Whitaker of his illegal tactics. And that's why it's my favorite fight of his. He was forced to live in the ring without wrestling or controlling his opponent with grappling and holding. And we saw the result.

I don't discount the stage in Whitaker's career when that fight occurred as a factor in how one-sided it was, but I still feel that Trinidad would've beaten Whitaker at 147. For example, I think he would've beaten more easily the Whitaker that ODH faced. Or even the one that Chavez faced.

No matter how young Whitaker would've been, he wouldn't be able to contend with Trinidad's timing and punching power with grappling and holding because Trinidad neutralized that entire part of his game with his forearm. Young or old, Whitaker would've been left to live in the ring, without his biggest weapon - stink. And therefore he would've lost to the harder punching and taller Trinidad.

 

Dude...you are totally ducking what I had to say about Mayweather fight. And why...because it shoots holes in your bullshit theory about Whitaker being nothing more than a run, hit and hold fighter.

And you can focus on the Trinidad fight which happened at the end of Whitaker's career if you need to so badly...but that fight means about as much as Holmes-Ali, Tyson-Holmes or Marciano-Lewis...or any other fight which featured a young and in prime great against an aged and past it great. Only a hater would think that these fights were a true indication of the loser's true abilities.

Oh...and by the way...this statement is incorrect.

And the only fights he (Whitaker) didn't exhibit complete stink in were either against guys smaller than him or guys who couldn't punch.

 

I can't see YouTube but I do know Roger had a shit chin and started his career at 130. I'm not sure one example shoots holes in my theory, even if it is an exception to the statement I've made.

And I've never called Whitaker a runner. When he was "running," was when he was actually boxing. That I can respect and regard as boxing. It was his holding and grappling that made him a terrible fighter to watch and demonstrates that his so-called defensive wizardry was only effective against average contenders. Against elite fighters it was all stink. Chavez - stink. ODH - stink. McGirt - stink.

His smooth boxing didn't work against the very best. So he fought ugly. And that's why I've never been a fan and can't agree with the majority's characterization of him as an all-time great defensive fighter.

 

Shortly after the Whitaker fight, Mayweather won a title at 140. So he was NOT a "smaller" fighter than Whitaker. Mayweather started his career at 130, but he was a better and more resilient fighter at the higher weights, most likely because he didn't belong at 130 in the first place. Mayweather's chin wasn't as bad once he left 130.

And your insisting that Whitaker did nothing but "grapple" against Chavez makes me wonder if you have ever really watched that fight. That is simply just not true. I never thought I would see someone worse than Esk when it came to biased viewing of fights and only seeing what you wan to see...but you just might be so.

 

McGirt 2 was one of Whitaker's most entertaining fights. Good back and forth exchanges. Mayweather was one of the biggest punchers Whitaker faced and that was another one of Whitaker's most exciting fights.

 

Back and forth exchanges? In a Whitaker fight? Who knew. Thanks for pointing it out to me. I only saw their first fight. A diamond in the rough I suppose. Wow. Whitaker in a fight with back and forth exchanges. Amazing.

 

Well...obviously not you. And you keep making it more obvious that you haven't seen all that many Whitaker fights.

 

Double L is a mook

Christ, no matter how much I hate a fighter, I dont just make things up about him, I dont know how people do that