Round by Round: Miguel Cotto vs. Joshua Clottey

I agree, but I'm just saying... after last night, Clottey doesnt DESERVE a big money fight.

 

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Neil you need to fucking learn man. Seriously, you always pick against Pacman. When pacman defeats Cotto are you finally going to realise what a beast he is?

You were SO sure Hatton would beat Pacman, completely confident, and Hatton got trashed in 2 rounds.

Cotto isn't beating Pacman. Pacman is simply better, significantly so.

 

Hatton never had a chance to impose his size cause Manny's speed overwhelmed him from the jump. Its the possible the same can happen to Cotto. Granted though, Cotto is a better fighter than Hatton, but he'll have the same type of problems with Manny. I can agree with the last sentence though... cause I wouldnt favor Manny over Floyd, or Mosley.

 

BY the way it's fucking hilarious that neil thinks Clottey would beat Pacman :atu:

Just no, Clottey is solid, but that's it. It's not in a guy like Clottey's make up to defeat someone like Pacman.

He is a solid fighter that fights in spurts, and isn't exceptional in any way.

Pacman would outspeed him, outslick him, outbox him, and win a pretty easy decision.

Pacman would have a bigger chance of stopping Cotto, because he is less defensive than clottey.

Your reason for picking Hatton was size/strength, and Manny's speed/skills/timing/accuracy negated that advantage pretty decisively.

Cotto and Clottey aren't even that much bigger than Hatton, they are pretty small welters.

Pacman would beat the pair of them.

The 2 welterweights that would be more like pick em fights against Pacman are Floyd and Mosley of course.

 

hatton never had a chance because as soon as he got hit by pacquiao he was done. either pacquiao hits a whole lot harder then I anticipated or hattons punch resistance aint what it used to be, or both. cotto is very hittable and will certainly get busted up if the fight goes beyond 4 rounds but he won't walk directly into shots from the outset and he will land hard punches on pacquiao. he'll be able to get inside and rough pacquiao up. cotto obviously is not afraid to bend the rules either. we'll see what pacquiao is made of when he faces a physical welter

 

I think both. And I think what you're banking on is that Manny wont be able to handle Cotto's power. Cause if he can, Cotto is completely fucked. And lets be honest... Cotto is heavy handed, but he's no real puncher. It took him 11 rounds of NON-stop punishment to stop fragile chinned Zab.

 

I'm far from sold on pacquiao's chin above super featherweight. morales and marquez were both able to shake him up repeatedly and cotto hits a whole lot harder than them two. pacquiao has looked fabulous his last 3 fights but he has still yet to get hit by these bigger guys

 

No they weren't. Pacman wasn't close to getting decked or badly hurt by either one of them.

His chin is solid at the higher weights.

And by the way, he took a couple of flush left hooks from both Oscar and Hatton, and they did fuck all.

Neither Cotto or Clottey are beating Pacman, they are simply not in Pacman's league.

Floyd and Mosley on the other hand, maybe so.

I respect your opinion neil, and I don't believe you're a pacman hater, but you clearly haven't learnt, and continue to badly underestimate him.

He is small at 140 - 147, but he is easily the best fighter in boxing right now, and his speed, power, skills, timing and accuracy have proved to negate a size advantage twice in a row now.

 

I don't think Pac was very hurt by either, but the difference is, smaller, faster guys can catch Manny blind while he has seen every punch Oscar or Hatton threw, and when he sees it, he can take it. I don't think Cotto will be able to catch him by surprise, he is not that sharp. Mosley's right hand counter might be quick and accurate enough

 

Cotto won the 3rd round without question.

Fight could have gone either way. I'm glad Cotto won... in comparison to other pro boxers, Clottey is a big-time coward.

 

Marquez BADLY Hurt Pac in the RE, Mex...He STAGGERED Manny in 1 Particular Round & Beat the Shit Out of him in Another, to the Point that U Could've Almost Scored it 10-8...


REED:mj:

 

I agree Cotto won 3rd straight up. Without arguing any other rounds, this leaves Ugotabe with 6 reasonable rounds for Clottey = Clottey LOSS.

As I said, love or hate Cotto, without at least one extreme stretch you cannot award Clottey that fight.

 

Giving 3rd round to Clottey is NOT an extreme stretch. And as I said before, rounds 4 and 11 were also close. So I can see it going both ways but I originally had Clottey ahead. Score of 116-111 Cotto, that was a strech

 

Clottey DID NOT Win Last Night...A DRAW Wouldn't have Been an Absurd Verdict, but a WIN for Clottey Would have Been...Again, Clottey DID NOT Win that Fight....



REED:nono:

 

Clottey is too much risk too little reward anyway. No big name fighter will want to fight him.

 

I would say a guy who fights as hard as Clottey did last night is far from a coward.

 

I agree.

Cotto landed far more punches to the gloves that round. Easy round to score.

 

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I agree, it was easy. Since I respect your opinion I decided to watch the round again after reading this post. I suggest you do the same... Cotto was busier, and you have to know that 9 out of 10 pro judges will score that round for Miguel.

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I thought he could have fought a lot harder in a very, very winnable fight for him.

 

What I don't understand is people arte just relaizing this. I said this as soon as the fight was made. This fight was a tune up and Cotto's eye made it more. If Cotto had two eyes, Clottey would have faked a knee, elbow or ear injury and quit.Even as it was, he was beating Cotto's ass and he still tried to quit twice. Clottey should be banned from TV. I realized he was a quitter in the Margarito fight when he lied about hurting his hands. I remember a month later he was talking shit about Mosely saying he was ready go. Wow two mangled hands and they are all better as soon as the fight is over. If Clottey doesn't deserve the label coward, well Robert Guerrero does too, . No one is a coward if Clottery isn't and as much as Cotto is and always has been an HBO fraud and creation I am glad Clottey was robbed.

 

you must have been watching a different fight because in phonetap's estimation, that decision could have gone either way.