SHIT or Get OFF the Toilet, Floyd...

You're missing my point. You're acting like whatever PBF does, it's never going to be enough. But nobody in their right mind would take issue with PBF's resume at 130 and at 135. This is proof that PBF can and has proven himself - at 130 and at 135. What irks so many of us is that he's yet to do that at 140 or 147 for that matter.

Since moving up from 135, he's taken us for a ride. Some have bought his bull-shit. Others have not. Me. I don't buy it. I see right through him. I know why he retired. I know why he's fighting featherweights. And I know he's not half as good as people think he is. At least not at 147.

 

While there's SOME Truth to that, it's Not ENTIRELY True...WHO Took Ricky Hatton's "0" from him, Doub???...WHO Won the Lineal (Criticize the Opponent All U Want) Welterweight Title???...WHO Moved Up to 154 & Beat DeLa for HIS Title???...

REED Agrees that there's ALOT of Guys Floyd Could Face (Shane, Cotto, PWill, etc.), but to Act Like Floyd has Done Absolutely NATHAN Since Leaving 135 is an EXAGGERATION....


REED:kidcool:

 

He fought Hatton at 147 - a division Hatton proved himself not suited to.

Baldomir is awful and PBF still had to stink the joint out to beat him.

I don't even think he beat ODH. And that's an old and slow ODH too.

 

Floyd ISN'T a Welter Either, Doub...Don't Forget That...& from the MEDIA, there was Demand for the Baldomir Bout...YOU Don't Think Floyd Beat Dela, but MOST Everyone Else Does...

& NONE of your Monday Morning QB'ing can Alter that...


REED:kidcool:

 

The fuck he isn't REED. That is some complete and utter garbage you just posted. How do you know Floyd could even make 140 anymore? When exactly was the last time he boxed below 147? He is a welterweight as long as he competes in that division. If he's not a WW why on earth is he dragging Hatton up to 147 and Marquez up to 147?

Man this place is fucked up, we got guys demanding Manny fight Cotto/Mosley/Mayweather at 147 when he's had ONE fight at that weight and went directly back down in weight. Then we have you excusing Floyd for not facing guys in the weight class he's been in for 5 fights and 4 years!

 

For the 2nd Time, Floyd DIDN'T "Drag" Hatton Up to 147...Hatton WANTED the Fight there to PRESERVE his Jr. Welter Title & Record...Floyd ISN'T & has NEVER Been a True Welter, Dude...


REED:hammert:

 

Fine, now explain Marquez having to fight at 147. Don't even try to tell me Marquez wanted it there. ::

If a guy fights at 147 for 4 years and has 5 fight in said weight class, he's a welterweight. Doesn't matter what YOU think about his size.

 

Yeah, and so does Hearns. Maybe we should compare Cintron to Hearns while we're at it too. Cintron has a long right hand, because he's a long right handed fighter (notice I omitted the powerful part).

I don't recall Cintron being a big fan of the uppercut anymore than I recall Shane being partial to getting hit by it. Just because Forrest killed Shane with the uppercut doesn't mean it's a weak spot for Shane like it is for Cotto.

To be honest no. Yeah, he'll occasionally hit Shane with it for all the good it will do. Do you honestly give an overrated fighter like Cintron a shot against even this version of Mosley? I mean seriously, have you thought about this? We're talking about one of the softest boxers in the world going up against arguably the toughest and you think Shane should be avoiding this fight out of fear rather than a waste of his time?

Seondly to compare Cintron to Forrest is a diss to Forrest. Forrest is a smart, fluid, calculated boxer. Everyone sees that Cintron thinks before every move he makes in the ring and barely looks like a guy who knows what he's doing. He can't stick to the jab for a full fight and he keeps his hands low. Also I don't see Cintron's overrated power hurting Shane at all.

Cintron should be thinking of fighting Berto, a guy I'd actually give him a shot of beating although not by much. At least Cintron's power may effect Berto since Berto seems to have a suspect chin, but Cintron has no shot against Shane.

 

This simply isn't true. Floyd was given shit because he faced Judah INSTEAD of baldomir...Judah was coming off the loss.

The fight people wanted to see was Floyd vs Margarito but Floyd wanted no part in it. Floyd made exactly $1 more to fight Baldomir and did it to become the "lineal" champion.

That was the story, not what "the media" wanted.

 

actually mayweather jr was going to face spinks and then the media, fatass rafael among others, bitched about the matchup claimin baldomir was the real champ at welterweight.

judah proved he was a more worthy and interesting foe than baldomir in their respective fights vs mayweather jr.

 

Not to Mention Brian Kinney, who Dedicated his 1st of Many TELEVISED Rants AGAINST Floyd to How He Should B Facing "The Real Champ", Baldomir...Muzse DOESN'T Know what he's Talking about OR he's just Tooooooo Caught Up N his ANTI-FloydNESS...



REED:kidcool:

 

Floyd Mayweather ISN'T a True Welterweight, Dude...NEVER Has Been, NEVER Will B...He's as Much of a Welter as James Toney is a Heavyweight...

Marquez CALLED Floyd OUT, so WHY is Floyd OBLIGATED to Accomodate Marquez's Optimum Weight???...
REED:mj:

 

I know what you are saying. You can call Floyd undersize for a welter all you want, but he's still been fighting there for his past 5 fights and that means he is without a doubt a welterweight.

I doubt Floyd can make 140 anymore and until he fights at a lower weight, he's a welterweight.

Lastly, Winky Wright called out Floyd, Margarito called out Floyd. Now all of the sudden Marquez calls him out and he's in the business of answering challenges. Pure comedy bro!

 

You have that backwards. Floyd called out Winky Wright. I seem to remember Gary Shaw being pissed that Arum changed the split from 50-50 to 55-45 so he rejected the fight.

But it was Mayweather that tried to get a fight with Winky.

 

He didn't TRY to do anything with Winky. I did have it backwards though, but not for Margarito. The point is tons of guys are/were calling out Floyd yet he picks Marquez on the premise that marquez "called him out"

That is just laughable.

 

The PBF-JMM fight is at 144.

 

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=19870&more=1

 

Not $1 more,.. ..to duck Margarito, he found himself fighting for $749,999 less,..

 

For the umpteenth time, I said Cintron had shades of Forrest. I didn't say he was as good. I didn't say he'd beat Forrest. And I didn't say he'd beat Mosley. I simply said it'd be a stupid fight for Mosley to take. You can't refute that. And did you not see Cintron KO Mathysse with a right-hand, left-hand upper-cut?

And ODH used the upper-cut a lot against Mosley, especially in the first fight.

Everyone is susceptible to the uppercut if it's set up properly. That's true of every punch.

Cotto seems especially weary of getting hit with left hooks because he throws so many which is probably why he gets hit with a lot of upper-cuts. But in order to set him up for one, you have to show your left-hook.

Also, the upper-cut is the perfect counter to a left-hand to the body, a favorite punch of Cotto's. Also a favorite punch of Mosley's. Although he'll use the right to the body more than Cotto and tends to clinch after landing to prevent the counter. Rather than instinctively defending himself as a skilled boxer would, he developed the instinct to hold on.

 

So Forrest is calculating but Cintron thinks before every move? Isn't that a distinction without a difference?

 

What exactly does shades of Forrest mean then? Other than being tall, and long I see no comparison between Forrest and Cintron so really there was no reason to bring it up. The reason you did is because Forrest is tall and long and he had such great success against Shane that you're trying to justify the ridiculous proposition that Cintron has a shot based on that one and only similarity. Absolutely ridiculous. Styles make fights not body compositions.

ODH used it in their first fight? Is that the counter to me saying Shane hasn't shown succeptability to the uppercut? You got anything that happened lately?

Really can Cintron even set up shots or counter? I'm not sure he can, especially if Shane has him leaning away from every body shot he lands on him. Cintron will be under too much mental stress to stick to a jab, much less a gameplan.

Now please refrain from your repeated attempts to stack Cintron in with the elite Welters. By the way, I wouldn't even give Cintron a fucking shot in hell against Floyd Mayweather size advantage or not.

 

and in the next fight?

 

Quite the opposite...this was written by the same "fatass" you and Neil are so lovingly clutching to.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382

This has been covered previously.

The Judah fight never should have happened. He should have fought Baldomir that April.

Thanks for playing.

 

Oh. That's right. You're one of those (a blinded and manipulated PBF groupie). (Ding Ding. Cease discussion).

 

Nope, I've actually been very very critical of his career and choices lately. I don't think however, that any of that makes Cintron a better fighter than him.

 

I can't believe a regular member actually has to explain himself to another regular member on whom they are or aren't a "groupie of".

This is a small forum, basically everyone knows who everyone else really likes or dislikes.

 

The fact that Fraud and his management were so desperate in looking for excuses that they even sent Roger to attempt to gate-crash and diminish Margarito's reputation in one of his post fight press conferences,.. suggests that there was infact no contractual ties with top rank on the condition he signed to fight Margarito, otherwise it would have been so easily revealed as his alibuy, that was further illustrated when he was offered Margarito again for the same monsterous purse, to which Fraud turned down, as a free agent, EXPOSED.

 

That article explains why the Margarito fight never happened because Floyd had to buy out his contract because at the time G wasn't dealing with him.

 

You know the sport of boxing is dying when a little 144lb boring clown like Floyd Mayweather Jr is one of the two last remaining 'stars' being discussed on boxing message boards. A guy who doesn't even have an actual weight class.
Makes you wish for the good old days of Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield, RJJ, Oscar, and Trinidad...where boxing was actually worth discussing as opposed to a 144lb midget who's running and ducking any kind of real opposition.
The sport is in serious trouble right now. ::

 

the baldomir fight shouldve never happened. the judah fight was worthwhile. mayweather jr shouldve fought spinks instead of baldomir, which wouldve been a more meaningful and entertaining bout at that time.

I don't really know what point you're making with that article or what its supposed to prove?