REED's Only "BEEF" w/the Klits...

Like MOST, REED Initially had NEGATIVE Comments & Critiques about the Klit Brothers...Vitali was a "Robotic Quitter" & Wlad was "Chinny & LACKED Stamina"...But Over Time, they PROVED REED WRONG to the Point that he's Actually a FAN of Both Guys Now...

But the ONE Thing REED has ALWAYS Held Against them is their INSISTENCE on NOT Facing Each Other...REED has Heard that they SPAR Together, so Why WOULDN'T They FIGHT if the Money was Right???...That's a Fight that would INSTANTLY Captivate the Mainstream Public AND it'd Give Us a CLEAR-CUT # 1 Guy @ the Top of Boxing's GLAMOUR Division...

Vitali's Thought of as the BETTER Fighter, but REED would Actually FAVOR Wlad to Win, Head to Head...REED Actually Gets the Feeling that Wlad WOULDN'T Mind the Opportunity to PROVE he's Better than Vitali...

Just Imagine if Venus & Serena Williams Said they'd NEVER Play Each Other for Grand Slam Titles???...Women's Tennis would LOSE OUT on it's MARQUEE Matchup...Instead, they just Played for the 8th Time in a Grand Slam...Obviously, Fighting's DIFFERENT than Playing a Game of Tennis, but STILL, U Don't Get Into a Sport w/the Idea of NEVER Competing Against a Particular Person, even your Own Brother...



REED:mj:

 

i'm with you REED

these two german sasuages need to fight itout

 

Ridiculous. I would never watch a fight between two brothers. For lack of a better word, it is immoral even from a godless perspective. You purpose on earth is to support your family and make your family proad not to whore your family name and kill and beat each other for money. No family with a shred of dignity would consider the idea.

 

The williams sisters is a baaaaaad example. Sisters playing with ball and a racket is not the same as receiving damaging blows to the head by your brother. That would be something similar to incest. I would watch it for the freak show, but boxing would receive bad press about it.

 

Boxing isn't a sport. No way would I watch two brothers fight for money.

 

It's still bad for the sport. If one was a talentless hack and not anywhere near title contention I'd agree they should never fight. However they're both champs in the same weightclass.

Boxing is poorer for them not fighting but I understand why they wouldn't.

 

No it isn't. Nothing could be worse and more of a freak show than having two Brothers fight each other. I would never watch that.

 

Gotta agree with Ike on this one. I can't fault the Klit's for not fighting each other. Boxing is like no other sport. Here you can not only injure, or permanetly damage your oponent but occasionally kill him.

I also disagree that Wlad in any normal universe beats Vitali. You occasionally have a good eye at predictions brother Reed, whereas I tend to suck at them when I do make them, but I just can't see this. The only way Wlad beats Vitali is through a John Ruiz hug fest which Wlad is already a pro at.

 

I'd watch, but you'd have to expect they wouldn't go hard at each other. And try as I might I can't imagine Wlad going any less hard against someone than he already does, so the fight would suckass.

 

I don't blame them for not fighting each other.

It doesn't do boxing much good when the HW division doesn't have one clear cut champ (Wlad's doing the better work, the majority of fans see Vitali as the winner of a mythical matchup between the two), but it'd be too much of a freak show if they fought.

Plus, there's a decent chance they'd hold back anyway. Enough people as it as are bored by Wlad fights.

 

That's the Point REED's Trying to Make...It's BAD for Boxing that it's Just Understood that THE 2 BEST Current Heavy's will NEVER EVER Fight Each Other....



REED:shit:

 

I would but I'm not a hypocrite. If you're happy to watch two guys beat the shit out of each other regularly but then balk if brothers willingly decided to see who was better in the boxing ring then you are.

 

True, but I see that as no fault of the Klits. It's just one of those things.

I think I recall you saying you didn't have any brother's Reed, so I can't go there. However, would you really get in the ring and do battle with say..a first cousin of yours? I mean with the series intent of going all out and trying to take his head off?

 

REED is an Only Child on his Mother's Side & has 2 Sisters on his Father's Side...REED was RAISED an Only Child, so Maybe that's Influencing his Thoughts on this Matter...

REED Sees Guys Going HARD on Each Other Every Week in Sparring, yet they're TIGHT as Fuck Otherwise....




REED:mj:

 

It is a valid point. However, the alternative is simply far worse. You are talking about a guy whose family had to carry him out of a coco's because I saw a guy who beat up my cousin 12 years before and spit in his face in front of his family and fired punches at him in a crowded restaurant. Family is one thing and other people are another. I never understood the Christian ethic of people not being related calling each other brother. That is just an empty phrase.

 

Ridiculous. I am not a fake person at all. I have little concern for the fate of anyone I am not related to other than abstractly.. Steve Mcnair was murdered and while I feel bad it means nothing to my life. I will sleep tonight the same as if I hadn't heard the news. A distance cousin's life means more to me than the rest of the human population.

 

Perhaps hypocrite was a bit strong. I wasn't implying you were fake.

What I mean is, if you're happy to watch two guys beat the shit out of each other and enjoy it, why would you balk at brothers?

We're not talking as if they're forced into it. I mean if they really wanted to see who was better and willingly agreed to the fight. If that gives you pause then where is the line? Cousins? Best friends?

I've watched guys that get along better than brothers fight in a boxing ring before and didn't care. If they're willing, what does it matter?

 

Exactly...

EVERYBODY INVOLVED w/Boxing KNOWS the Circumstances...Fighters, Fans, Trainers, Media & Everybody In Between...When the Best Guys DON'T Fight Each Other, that's NOT a Good Thing for the Sport...& Since Wlad & Vitali Apparently have No Problem SPARRING (Which is WORSE than a Prizefight, Over the Looooooooooong Haul), they Should have NO Problem Actually Fighting....




REED:mj:

 

My understanding is they haven't sparred in a decade.

 

Also to what extent did they spar? Did they go all out, or basically shadow box and throw love taps? That's the real question here. Now if they're indeed killing each other in sparring then yeah, they may as well fight for real, but I doubt that is the case, just from previous interviews on the subject.

 

Yes, first cousins is too close. I wouldn't fight some of my cousins and I met them once in Italy. We don't even speak the same language really. I am only giving my opinion here. Personally, I wouldn't fight one of my friends. At the gym, I always kept a distance with people that I sparred. Would I watch friends fight, sure. To me the genetic connection is what makes the difference, I think it is wrong on a level I cannot rationally explain.

 

I think you've explained it well enough. I disagree but I understand your point. I guess it's down to the person at the end of the day.

EDIT- However, can we agree that champions not fighting is bad for the sport of boxing?

 

No, not in this case. The alternative is worse. People think too much. In reality, in an objective universe, we have two Brothers, raised together, same Mom and Dad, who each are legitimate champions in the same division. In this case, no it is not bad for the sport of boxing because of the aforementioned reasons. Normally, it would be clearly.

 

So we're agreed that champions not fighting is bad for the sport in general.

I understand why they don't fight. As a fan of boxing, I want the two best HWs to fight each other. That the Klits have a more understandable reason for not fighting, doesn't help the state of HW boxing.

 

The goal is to beat down a member of your family, who you've shared a lifetime of memories and experiences with, to appease the sinister, gimp white American sportswriters who find desperate relief in bewildered columns that tear up the heavyweight division every 2nd day,..

I have no problem with the Klitschko's being the one person, and can't see how it would be mentally and physically possible for the two to fight each other, there could be no real reward or motivation for either of them to do this.

 

No, in this case it would be to see who is the best HW in the world. You can word it any way you like but if these guys were not related we wouldn't be talking about 'gimp white American sportswriters' at all.

 

I suppose it is bad for boxing but you have to look at the bright side. HW boxing is in such a sorry state and Wlad can be such a boring fighter that to be honest I don't really feel that bad that he isn't fighting Vitali.

There are much better matchups in the lower weights that I'd be more upset about not seeing, but any fight that Wlad won't have isn't really going to bother me. That boring fuck could retire today and I wouldn't give two shits.

 

Ridiculous analogy and i totally disagree and how people are supposed to enter a certain sport (martial arts especially) - but i have to admit i wanna see them fight, too.

Hell some boxers even if just friends say they don't wanna fight or fight like pussies if they do - What if not being related is a better reason - plus the fight could end up a snoozer for the same reasons. Although the opposite is a possibility, too since both might be very competitive-minded.

 

be glad they dragged your bitchass outta there or you wouldve met the same fate as your cousin. that was a smegman-esque anecdote, nonetheless.

 

Naw I wouldn't want to see them fight either. I couldn't see myself smashing my little brother. Hell just imagine if either one of the Klits happen to hurt one in the ring do you think they would go for the KO or would they let them off the hook. It would be such a safety first fight that it wouldn't even be fun to watch. Now if this was a cash out fight and let's say they were going to retire afterwards then I would possibly try to make the fight to try and steal money from the paying customers but I can't see this fight happening nor if it does can I see it being a real live competitive fight. It would be a glorified sparring session. Shit some heavyweight contenders need to train mentally and physcially to go take what the Klits have earned plain and simple then we won't be having these types of conversations. I'll Holla 5000