So Cheato fought Mosley without illegal wraps and Cotto WITH illegal wraps???

Because Margarito ISN'T & Has NEVER Been a PUNCHER, that's Why...Hence, the TAMPERING of Hand Wraps...Cotto was BLOODY, FATIGUED & had the Fight BEATEN OUT of him, but it's NOT like he was On Very UNsteady Legs or Anything...Even the 2 Knockdowns were MORE of a Way for Cotto to Get a RESPITE, than him Being KNOCKED TO the Canvas by the Force of Margarito's Shots...


REED:mj:

 

@ BEST, Cotto has AVERAGE Defense...Probably BELOW Average...When Cotto Fights, he's GOING to Get Hit....Considering that, he Takes a Pretty GOOD Shot in REED's Opinion...He Certainly RECOVERS Quicker than Most...

Cotto's TEMPLES R More Susceptible than his CHIN is...



REED:mj:

 

He is not a puncher but you don't have to be. Judah has a lesser kayo percentage than Margarito and he is smaller and he hurt Cotto several times.

 

Judah has a MORE IMPRESSIVE Catalogue of KO's than Margarito does...Judah BADLY Hurt Cotto on Several Occasions, Made Floyd Mayweather's Glove TOUCH the Canvas, ROCKED Kostya Tszyu in the 1st Round of their Fight & DESTROYED Guys like Cory Spinks, Cosme Rivera & Jaime Rangel...

Zab Judah's a BETTER PURE Puncher than Antonio Margarito is...


REED:mj:

 

He never made Zu blink. Reed Margarito has a higher kayo percentage period. Margarito has 60 percent kayo percentage and Zab's is less than that. Your point that Zab is a better puncher is nothing more than an opinion. On this issue, I am not saying I am right or wrong. I certainly would believe in a second Margarito cheated if some evidence presented itself. It should be obvious that Margarito puncher or not could have hurt Cotto with or without wraps. Cotto does not take a good shot. He does recover but he does get buzzed alot.

 

Most people fail to overlook the mental advantage having plaster knuckles would give Margarito. Knowing he's hitting Cotto with a cast would have to make him more confident in his punches and the fact that eventually Cotto would wither. Thus, this might make Margarito put up with even more physical punishment then he normally would have. This could also be the reason Margarito seemed so much less durable in the Mosley fight.

 

Zab NEVER Made Tszyu Blink???::...O.K., Ike...It Wasn't Anything SERIOUS, but Zab Certainly ROCKED Tszyu in the 1st Round of the Fight...KO % Isn't an Absolute Indicator...Vitali Klit has an EXCELLENT KO %, HIGHER than Wlad's if REED's Not Mistaken...But CLEARLY, Wlad is the HARDER Puncher...


REED:hammert:

 

Shane was just too fast and Margarito too wide. Still, I was dead wrong. I knew shane was more talented but he really fought a flawless perfect fight and made Margarito look as average as he is.

 

Then why do you seem to be arguing so vehemently that the Mosley fight was the 1st time he cheated? Like you said there is no evidence either way, yet you seem to be picking a side.

 

There's Probably SOMETHING to that, Dog...Against Cotto, Margarito had an IMPERVIOUS to Pain, TERMINATOR Type of Quality to him....Against Shane, Margarito Seemed ALOT More Vulnerable, even EARLY....



REED:hammert:

 

You don't punch in a vacuum. I agree with you Wlad hit harder, but Vitali is a better fighter. Margarito is an average puncher, but he delivers them at a rapid rate. I would rather fight Zab. He throws less. He is easily deterred. Zab is faster and sharper and AM is probably harder and more concusive puncher. I say this having not been punched by either. Point is, Zab is certainly not a level more of a puncher than AM and that much is clear. If Zab could hurt him, so could Tony. Period.

 

If Cotto isn't elite at welter than who is? You already said Pac and Floyd. I know what you think of Shane so are they the only 2?

I think you judge guys too harshly. Cotto struggling with fighter's isn't an indication of him being mediocre. If anything the fact that he still manages to beat everyone in front of him should be a testiment of how good he is. A win is a win and even ODLH squeaked by a lot of his top competition. Cotto took on very tough opposition early in his career at 140, a lot tougher than todays fighters do, such as Berto. You bring up how Judah hurt him, but didn't Cotto win practically every other rd of that fight, making it a complete domination of Judah? So I say so what he was hurt, he handled it like a champion.

 

agREED that Vitali is BETTER than Wlad...Also agREED on PREFERRING Zab To Margarito as an Opponent...But w/SINGLE SHOTS, Zab & Wlad R HARDER, BETTER Punchers...U just Said YOURSELF that Margarito is More of a VOLUME Guy...Zab's KO'ed &/or Hurt a BETTER Crop of Guys Overall....



REED:hammert:

 

If you don't think Margarito cheated in the Cotto fight, but you do think he cheated before, what other fight is it that you think he cheated in? Also, Reed made a great point, why would he not cheat in the biggest fight of his career? Surely you aren't clinging to this argument because if true it taints your prediction that Margarito would beat Cotto.

 

Simply. Because Cotto is does not have a great chin. I don't think he needed to cheat to beat Cotto. I don't agree that Margarito needed to cheat over Cotto nor did he have to. He always wanted to fight Cotto because he knew he would win. That said, it may have been the first time he cheated. I just doubt it. Is it possible to get caught cheating the first time, sure. It is not the most likely scenario. I see nothing in the fight that even hints Margarito cheated. Margarito is just a bad style matchup for Cotto. Look how he did against the bum Clottey. He barely won. He isn't going to do well against huge welters ever. Cotto is a small welter.

Seriously, Paul Williams would get arrested for what he'd do to Cotto. Cotto is not even a top 3 welter and he is touted as a p4p fighter.

 

Good Point.

 

How Bout THE FACT that Margarito was Compelled to @ Least TRY to Cheat Against Sugar Shane, a Guy that was Almost UNIVERSALLY Perceived as a LESSER Threat than Cotto???:dunno:...It just DOESN'T Make Sense that Margarito would TRY to Cheat Against Shane w/Out Doing LIKEWISE Against Cotto (Again, MORE of a Threat), in THE BIGGEST Fight of his Life...


REED:mj:

 

The only perception I care about is Margarito's. He never thought Cotto was shit. He obviously thought more of Mosely. You are looking at it as a fan. Margarito thought little of Cotto and knew he would win.

 

What "EVIDENCE" Is there that Margarito NEVER Thought Shit of Cotto???...YOU'RE Looking @ it as a Guy Trying to JUSTIFY his Prediction, Nevermind the FACT that Cotto is a Loooooooooong Line of Guys that U've ALWAYS Criticized...



REED:mj:

 

My prediction is right until proven otherwise and that is a fact.Has any commission overturned the decision? Ever wonder why. Because in the real world people need evidence. I would happily say I was wrong if it was proven Margarito cheated. He gave countless Telemundo interviews. He wasn't disrespectful but he was confident. They were all in Spanish. Iam sure he did some interviews with translators too though.

 

THEREIN Lies the Problem...Your ONLY Concern is Being "Right" N the Matter...Shit, REED was 1 of the 5-10 Guys that PREDICTED Shane would BEAT Margarito, but U Don't See REED Thumping his Chest about It...



REED:mj:

 

You should. Again, if he did cheat then my prediction never came true and well I wouldn't be right. I have spent enough time on this issue. I have certainly made a point that cannot be dismissed. Margarito if we assume the best could have hurt Cotto. It is feasible.

 

If you use your logic REED, Shane Roided up again against Margarito. Antonio just stopped Cotto, a guy Mosley just lost to. So that makes Margarito a huge THREAT, so he must have used steriods again right?

 

You can't, because by your logic, Shane was on steriods and that's the only reason he beat Margarito.

 

Only difference is it has been proven that Mosely took steroids in some of his fights. Margarito has never been proven of actually using cement wraps only the attempted use of cement wraps. Not to diminish it, he should be banned for life regardless.

 

Did Shane FAIL a Post-Fight Drug Test???....



REED:dunno:

 

Uh, his federal deposition was released and he said he used steroids.

 

Yep...

DRIED BLOOD on the Inserts CLEARLY Shows that Margarito had PREVIOUSLY USED Them...


REED:mj:

 

For 1 fight, not some.