So Cheato fought Mosley without illegal wraps and Cotto WITH illegal wraps???

He admitted to using them. So who gives a shit about a post fight drug test.

 

In What, 2002???...Since Then, REED has LITTLE Doubts that Shane has Had Half a HUNDRED Set of Eye's on him (Just as Margarito will have ALL EYE's On Him Upon Returning)...& Shane's Body HASN'T Changed 1 Bit N the Steroid Aftermath...

Also, Shane is Actually Filing Suit AGAINST Victor Conte for DEFAMATION of Character &/or LIBEL, if REED's Not Mistaken...



REED:mj:

 

Weren't the inserts wet when they confiscated them? How could anything be dry on them?

 

In 2002, Right???...WHAT Does that have to do w/a Fight in 2009???...


REED:dunno:

 

Of course idiot, he was getting hit with a freakin' cast! Let someone hit you in the face with a cast and tell me if it doesn't hurt.:flip:

 

It won't go anywhere. Hell, I bet with a little effort I could find the testimony. He said he never "knowingly" ingested steroids which is what a lawyer would tell him to say. It's amazing what a nice attitude and kind smile does for a fellow. Shane Mosely said he cheated. What Tex is saying is, following your logic all of his previous and subsequent wins are all part of a poisoned pot. Actually, in this case it is worse. Mosely admitted to cheating whereas Margarito only attempted to cheat.

Sammy Sosa had syringes hanging out of his ass and people looked away. Barry Bonds took steroids and they all lined up "fuck you cheater."Shane Mosely is a lying filthy cheat as well. Hardly a victim at all.

 

If Blood has ALREADY DRIED on an Insert, RE-Wetting the Insert WON'T Have Any Bearing on the Blood that was PREVIOUSLY There....



REED:hammert:

 

It's more like, WTF does the date have to do with anything.

The man cheated and admitted it.

 

Mosley admitted he was on steriods. He never said he knowingly took them. Also, the 1 fight he was said to be on them the 2nd ODLH fight he looked bigger and more muscular than ever before and was severly slow of hand for the first time in his career. In fact ODLH actually had the edge in hand speed in that fight.

 

Tex is Applying Testimony from 2002 to a Fight in 2009...CLEARLY, Shane Mosley's Drug Tests have Been More Heavily SCRUTINIZED Since his Testimony in 2002...INCLUDING the Margarito Fight...

@ MOST, U Could Hold the RE w/Dela & PRIOR Fights Against Shane, but that's about It...



REED:mj:

 

2002 vs. 2009...

Think of the # of BOXERS that have Come Up Dirty for ROIDS N that Span & THEN Try to Tell REED that it DOESN'T Matter....



REED:mj:

 

Now you are changing your logic. I what point if any are any of Tony's victories legit. If you say, well I don't thin the Cotto victory was legit because of the proximity I would ask you for proof and as we have discussed there is no evidence of cheating. I have rationally explained every one of your points could have happened without cheating. That said, I don't know if Margarito did. The evidence could go either way and without an admission from somebody there isn't anything other than speculation that Toney cheated in his fight with Cotto specifically.

Cotto himself has never once said he felt Margarito cheated in their fight as far as I know. He has said his excuse about notknowing was nonsense but I would think he would have cried foul right after the fight.

 

I dislike cheating and believe Marg should have received a lifetime ban but this statement is correct. We can assume all we like but that doesn't make it true.

 

How the fuk are they supposed to know if the blood had already dried on it? You honestly think they ran water over it right after they confiscated it just to see if the blood had dried or not?

Look, there's an insert that's suspicious, I see a spec of blood, lets run hot water over it and wash away any potential illegal substances just to see it the blood is dry or not.

 

I have an opinion on the matter. I am just a rational person. It is my opinion.

 

Because if he hadn't used them yet how could their be blood on them? What do you think he cut himself shaving right before they taped him up or something?

 

Actually Cotto did say he felt Margarito cheated and even used the way his face busted up and started bleeding as evidence. Don't you remember when Cotto got pissed at Arum for standing up for Margarito and even contemplated leaving Arum?

 

Are you naive enought to think that there aren't better masking techniques since 2002?

I'm not questioning whether Shane used Roids since then or not. I'm just saying that you could use your own logic and say Shane was roided up against Margarito.

Shane is a piece of shit and so is Margarito. One shouldn't get a free pass and a benefit of the doubt over the other. They both showed they will try or have cheated. That questions their character, forever.

 

I didn't hear that. I remember Cotto getting mad but because of the defense for something that was defenseless. Also, Cotto never said anything when he lost. He may have after the revelations were made but to me that is far to late. I have bee hit in a street fight and the guy denied it with a black jack and I knew right away nobody hits like that. In my, case he missed my head and hit the middle of my back and it felt like a thai kick. I legged it. And when we met up later I told him he was fucked up. He denied and it was utter shit. Cotto should have said something after the fight poor sport or not. It isn't a sporting issue and a pro fighter would know about cement wraps as much as the cheater would.

 

I am agreeing. It's probable that Marg used the inserts on Cotto but it can't be stated as fact.

If the dried blood was found to be Cotto's that's a different story.

 

HOW is REED Changing Logic???...Margarito was BUSTED PRIOR to the Shane Fight, so REED QUESTIONS ALL of his Previous Bouts...Shane was Busted After the RE w/Dela, so ALL of his Previous Bouts Should RIGHTFULLY have a Cloak of SUSPICION Around them...SAME Principle...


REED:mj:

 

There's a DISTINCT Difference in Juicing Up in Hopes of ENHANCING your Performance & Placing PLASTER INSERTS in your HandWraps, Dude...There's DEGREE'S Of Crimes...Some ARE Worse than Others...

Margarito's Crime is MUCH Worse than Sugar Shane's....



REED:mj:

 

I believe that is speculation. You put plaster under soft gauze and backed up by a cushioned glove I'm not sure it'd be easy to tell the difference between a plastered knuckle or just a skin and bone one, especially if you have no reason to suspect as much.

 

For it to be Cotto's it would have had to go through Margarito's gloves. More than likely it was just the blood from Margarito's fists.

 

I'm not here to defend Margarito, what I'm getting at is, fair is fair. You can't conclude that Margarito cheated in previous fights and then say Shane only cheated that one time he admitted to it.

Trainers do use scissors and it's very possible for the fighter or trainer to get nicked while wrapping hands.

 

:: I know dude. Exaggerating the point.

 

No there isn't. Both things enhance performance. A significant increase of Speed + power to someone who is already very fast and strong is just as lethal as a thin layer of plaster. The plaster just seems worse because it is there, in a physical form.



Hopes of enhancing your performance? Sosa, McGwire, Canseco and about 200 other pro atheletes would say there's no "hope" about it.

 

A funny thing is, Shane is one of the only people in boxing circles who actually defended Margarito and said the trainer could have done it without Margarito's knowledge. I was shocked he said that but thought maybe he has a point. At the same time, maybe Shane was protecting the value of his victory over Margarito or even his own presumed ignorance of his steriod use.

 

Yeah, O.K...

Next U'll Tell REED that Getting Caught Driving w/an OPEN Container of Alcohol is the SAME as an Alcohol Induced Vehicular HOMICIDE....


REED:hammert:

ps. Shane's PERFORMANCE Certainly DIDN'T LOOK "Enhanced" N the RE w/Dela....