143 catch-weight will only diminish Pacquiao's legacy!

DAMN!!!...SHOCKING News, to Say the Least...REED Always had this Mental Image of Manny NOT Wanting Any Parts of the Boardroom Negotiations & MANIPULATIVE Bullshit...REED Figured Roach was the SOLE Guy Making Unreasonable Weight Demands....

Looks like REED was WRONG...



REED:hammert:

 

Normally catch-weight fights and these kind of negotation ploys looking to gain an advantage piss me off too.

But lets look at a couple of things. Manny fought as a super featherweight only one year ago. Not only is he a small guy, but he's also P4P #1 in the sport and will probably only have 2 or at the very most 3 more fights left. Cotto himself said the few pounds won't make a different to him and it's not as if he's being backed into a corner to accept the fight. He has plenty of other options himself.

Would I (and just about every fan) prefer if it just happened at welter? Of course, but this isn't some kind of political travesty being played out either.

 

REED and Hut Hut, I guess you're right in a way, if Duran did make Leonard come down to 143 maybe the win wouldn't be held in such high regard.

I think my line of thinking is slightly skewed in that I view Cotto at 143 different to the idea of Leonard being at 143.

I guess I still don't see Cotto as a true welter. He seems like a 140 pounder to me. He doesn't look much bigger than Hatton, and looked significantly smaller than Mosley and plasterito.

I guess what I'm saying in a nutshell is Cotto at 143 seems less compromised than a true welter at 143.

And I do still think though, that coming right after 2 downright BEASTLY wins over oscar and hatton, and cotto being a former 140 pounder himself, I don't think it would have too much effect on Pacman's legacy in the long run. In the immediate aftermath, sure, but ultimately not that much.

I guess it partly depends how cotto looks at the catchweight.

 

That's the very reason I give Pacman a pass for bullshit that would normally piss me off with other fighters.

Pacman has had around 50 fights. Around 25 of those fights have been at flyweight ::

And like you said, only a year ago he was a superfeatherweight.

Seriously, we're talking about a 5'5 fighter that spent half his career at flyweight.

 

Absolutely! :bears:

 

Very Well said!:bears:

 

How are they anything alike?

Did the Steelers and Cardinals have negotiations before they played?

 

Very true. If both fight below 145 lbs it should not be called a welterweight fight and much less for Cotto's title.

 

looks like they're trying to get cotto to shave off 1 more pound down to 144

 

What about Leonard fighting Lalonde for two diferent divisions titles that were not even close to the actual weight-in?:dunno:

 

Agreed! If this fight is for Cotto's title then it should be made @147 PERIOD. Non title fight no less then 145.

 

Yes they did!

Via the granting of an NFL franchise to each, BOTH teams in fact agreed to a set of rules, which is over the long term negotiable, since the NFL takes input from coaches, players, refs, and other statistical source to make changes in the rules almost every year.

Every team can petition for changes, and they regularly do based on things which occur during seasonal & playoff games.

So for one team to suddenly change the terms of the engagement a few months before it occurs would be railing against terms already tacitly, if not directly agreed to. It's exactly the same.

You of course can always appeal to the "Yeah - but boxing has no league or fixed set of rules!! So it's not the same!". And that is precisely why fighters like Pac can get away with this crap and have people defend it. If there were any sort of league or proper management of boxing rules, trying to warp a fight like this would be completely unacceptable, akin to your Steelers telling the Cards they want to play on a 75-yard field because their long game isn't too good. Completely ludicrous, right?

Then why isn't it ridiculed in boxing?

 

That's true, if I was Cotto I wouldn't put my belt on the line since he has to go down to 143. If Pac can't fight at 147 then he shouldn't need the belt.

As for all you guys who keep saying how little Pac is, Nazim Richardson was saying how shocked he was at how big Pac is in person. He said he can't believe Pac was able to fight at those lower weights and that if Cotto agrees to those weight demands he will be putting a big disadvantage on himself.

 

Petitioning for rules changes! ::

 

"Big" & "Pacquiao" R OXYMORONIC...


REED:hammert:

 

Outlander hit the nail directly on the head

 

Like I said before, the guy doesn't post often, but when he does, it's nearly always worth the wait.

 

I know it's a stretch.

 

I disagree about Roach.

When the negotiations started and they were going back and forth on the weight Roach was the one who agreed on 145 and even said if Cotto was 200 pounds he wouldn't care.

Recently when I read Arum on an interview he said the contract was done but had not talked to Manny. BAsically saying it was up to Manny to look over the contract and agree to it.

When Roach says something he weather he is right or wrong he is pretty straight forward with it.

I don't see why he would start bitching now when he publicly agreed to 145 not to long ago. :dunno:

maybe just maybe is Pacquiao the one acting like a jackass.

 

It is. I already covered this and REED already acknowledged his surprise of this new information. Welcome to the page before this one.

 

Pacquiao and Roach are probably negotiating for every last pound to their advantage, but I wonder if they might just be saying to hell with Cotto and waiting for Mayweather.

Despite what he may have said otherwise, I've kind of always felt that Roach really only cared for the Mayweather fight, among the WWs.

Biggest money fight, biggest legacy fight, and Mayweather's a less physical welterweight anyway who's more likely to outbox and frustrate Pacquiao than put a real beating on him as Cotto and Mosley might do.

 

If that's the way it plays out it'll be a net gain for boxing.

 

Cotto is only an inch taller than Pacquiao and they have almost identical reach. pacquiao is NOT the smaller fighter.

 

Yeah much like Tyson is only an inch taller than Mosley and has a three inch shorter reach.

 

Cotto's frame is thicker than Pacquiao's.

The size difference isn't huge, but Cotto is the bigger guy. Cotto's a WW, Pacquiao is probably best suited for either 135-140 right now, but the big money fights are above 140.

 

Pacquiao is the smaller fighter. There is simply no argument to the contrary.

Half of Pacman's career has been at flyweight, he is 5'5, and much less stocky than Cotto.

 

I really think its Roach who's behind these demands. I don't think Manny cares to be honest.