It's COOL, Dog...This is a PASSIONATE Discussion, but there's NO Ill Will or Malice Involved...If this is your GENUINE Opinion, U DON'T Have to Apologize for it.... But Having "Known" U for a Bit Now, it's SHOCKING to REED to See the Normally LAID BACK, "Live & LET Live" Steve-Dave Have Such HARSH Opinions about Something... REED::
:: I do pride myself in my ability to see things both ways. This is one of the few where I am really passionate... and I think it has a lot to do with the fact that this sport is stepping on the turf on the single thing that is completely sacred to me - Boxing. Instead of blind hating, I decided I wanted to immerse myself in the sport. Become truly knowledgeable. I still feel like I have to keep some fans honest.... because, IMO, the evolution of MMA HASN'T resulted in the high level sport that many think it is. It's on the way, but not there yet.
I just woudnt assume you know more about MMA then most on here. You sould like Free Ike. You couldnt possibly know what i know. But i know what you know, since you have told me right here in this thread. My only words for you are keep watching. You might one day catch up.
I agree with that statement. It's evolved greatly in the past several years, and the skill at UFC 100 was leaps and bounds better then the skill at UFC 1, but the sport is still in it's infancy and has a lot of room to grow. But it's still fun as hell to watch. TFK
MMA has a long way to go - we aint seen nothing yet. IMO GSP is the link to the next generation of fighters - this guys is the blueprint. Teenagers in the gym today will take it to another level.
I don't know about that. Physical size and strength aside, do you really think Brock Lesnar has better Jiu JitSu than Royce Gracie? :kick:
I seriously doubt that, TKO. Kids today are studying what they're seeing from the likes of Anderson Silva, Machida, and GSP but kids still are learning the same martial arts that have been in existence for decades, be it Jiu Jitsu, Judo, Wrestling, Boxing, Karate, etc. Nobody is inventing a new style of fighting or new methods of killing a man.:: What GSP is emphasizing is the importance of a solid ground game and good striking. Basically kids growing up today preparing for MMA are learning a bit of boxing, a bit of wrestling, a bit of submissions. Basically they're becoming jacks of all trades and masters of none. You're delusional if you think the sport really will evolve that much more. It won't. Just like boxing has not evolved. A punch is still a punch. A guy like Anderson Silva won't have too many dupilicates in the future. His skill level is beyond modern times from what I've seen. Unless someday kids are able to learn how to fly or do triple sommersault gogoplatas, it's all gonna be the same sh*t.
The key to the MMA future will be the lighterweights. THose guys do some incredible shit because of their size. When we start seeing bigger men do what these little men can do, it will be crazy.
Well knowing everything about the UFC doesnt mean you know everything about MMA or its History. You still have a lot to learn IMO.
MMA's history started with UFC 1. Before then, the word 'MMA' wasn't even invented. I'd say steve's on the right track here. He knows enough to have a valid opinion on the sport as a whole.
What does that have to do with anything Hanzy? There have been plenty of MMA orginazations out there since UFC. Orginzations with Great fighters and great fights. He can have an opinion all he wants. When he calls what brock did a joke and how the UFC shouldnt be like WWE, he sounds ingnorant. All of the great MMA Orginazations in Japan act JUST like pro-wrestling. The entrances, the customes, the promos, etc. And while MMA did practically start with the UFC, it didnt just stay there. kNowing everything about the UFC doesnt mean you know everything about MMA.
Boxing has changed over the years just not recently. Kids today are training to be MMA fighters. GSP never trained in wrestling yet he is one of the best, as the sport of MMA develops guys who specialise in one discipline will not have a chance. All the top guys started their careers studying Karate, Judo, Wrestling etc - I think you are delusional if you think a kid studying them all from an early age will not surpass the current crop.
Name some great HW's then. I'd love to hear it. The list of HW's that are better than that of the UFC starts and ends with Fedor.
Agreed, there are some guys out there that could be very competitive in the UFC HW division right now. Guys like Barnett, Overheem, Arlovski to name a few, but none of those guys are even sure wins over Gonzaga, Randy, or Nog. They could win, but none of them are like Fedor where you can write in the W with a permanant marker. Brock has some good fights coming up with Dos Santos, Velasquez, and Carwin. Anyone who thinks those aren't formiddable HW's go watch the crap that is in the Super Hulk tourney for Dream.
Agreed. There are some good guys out there, but only ONE who is definitively better than the rest and that is Fedor.
No definites, but Barnett, Overeem, Alex Emelianenko, and Monson all have a great chance to beat most of them.
Monson and Overeem have fought in the UFC, they were let go for a reason. Neither is ever going to be UFC champ. Overeem was getting KO'd by LHW's and Monson never won a meaningful fight. He got tooled by big oaf Sylvia. Barnett, SHOULD be in the UFC. Aleks has Hepatitis of some sort no?
99% of americans don't know sh*t about MMA, they only know about the UFC. And that's how Dana White likes it. Why do you think the crowd still boos when a fight goes to the ground? It's called ignorance. That's why the UFC brass MUCH prefers to have fights standing with a lot of action as opposed to hug and hump tactics which are becoming the norm these days.
Do you even know what MMA means, TKO? :: There's no such art called "MMA". You don't go to an MMA school and say "I want to learn MMA." What they do is put you in specific classes teaching you specific martial arts. One class will have you learn how to box, another class will teach you how to wrestle, and another class will teach you Jiu Jitsu or submission wrestling. They could teach you Judo, Jiu Jitsu, Sambo, Catch-wrestling, etc. And these arts have been in existence for generations. Kids today whether they're learning from age 2 or age 12 can only grasp so much and even then one can only be a jack of a trade, not a master. To be a master in Jiu Jitsu and earn a black belt takes many many years. To be a world class boxer with real elite level skill likewise takes many years, same as Judo. The most kids can do is learn a bit of each and try to implement it under MMA rules and even then it will come down to the individual himself and his athletic qualities. You're delusional if you really think kids are going to be leaps and bounds better than the likes of Anderson Silva, Fedor and GSP. Martial Arts has not evolved in its teachings in any discipline. Today, tomorrow and 20 years from now, a rear naked will still be a rear naked.:: I know it sounds nice and all about how kids are gonna rock the world but the only thing in its infancy is MMA as a sport, not the martial artists themselves who've been training since they were children. It's not possible for a kid mentally or physically to devote 22 hours a day learning all these martial arts. To learn Jiu Jitsu by itself would take enough of their time. And then to devote more time to learning wrestling which again takes many many years as you go up the ranks....and then to learn proper boxing and have the skillset of a world class pro which again takes many many years. it's just impossible. The most one can do is learn enough of each to be able to compete in MMA under MMA rules. That means basically being taught in a class called "Learn Jiu Jitsu for Dummies" where they give you the basics so you can still have time to attend the next class. LOL! The best way to prepare for MMA is to go with your strengths. If you are naturally a good puncher, then take boxing and be the best boxer you can be and around that, implement some ground game. Trying to be a master of all the trades is not feasible or even possible. And what GSP has going for him is that he's a superhuman athlete. There aren't many guys like him in the world. Kids today can learn all they want, that doesn't mean they're going to be as good as GSP. GSP is gifted, not just some guy who worked hard in training. You can't go saying "If GSP can do it, then any kid can do it if they train hard." Kids today can train hard in the 100m. It doesn't mean they're going to become the next Usain Bolt and go smashing records like it's a joke. LOL!
I don't need to name any great heavyweights. All I need to say is the UFC's heavyweight division is awful. You'd think with 6+ billion people in the world, we'd have at least somewhat of a decent division. But then again, you're talking about the UFC here. A company that tried to convince us of Cheik Kongo's brilliance when really, he's as clueless as you are if you were to step into a wrestling gym.::
Riight, so you have nothing? Just like I thought. You talk all kinds of shit and have zero fact to back any of your ramblings up. What the fuck is wrong with you idiots assuming shit about me? This is really getting on my nerves. Last week I was told I've never hit a punching bag before and now I've never wrestled. I own a punching bag and I wrestled for two years. SO FUCK YOU NERDY FAGGOTS! Not everyone is some fucking nerd like you.
:: Relax Z, I'm just messing with you.:laughing: But you DO admit the UFC heavyweight division is kinda weak, right?
Well it's not the deepest division for sure. They need more guys, I will admit that. There are some guys who could turn out to be good though. Dos Santos, Velasquez, Carwin seem to be pretty solid so far. These guys just knocked off some legit guys. So yeah, it's been a weak division, but I think it's getting better and will keep on getting better.
I didn't say be champ, I said that they would be competitive. The rest of the UFC HW division is just as shitty. There is no reason why Overeem or Monson wouldn't have a chance vs. any of those guys.
