Tired of the Media trying to force feed MMA.

Listened to all the Fox radio etc. this past week. UFC is going to take over boxing! Stop it! They are two different animals. I'm friends with the Diaz brothers Nick and Nate; also Fabers. When they are on I'll watch. Other wise not into it. Most of the MMA guys have great ground; come into the gym for like 2 months and take boxing or kickboxing and turn pro. No craft in the art. MMA doesn't have a feed system, (ie) USA Boxing. So the future stars are in question. Dana White is taking money to the bank on pay-per-view, but De La Hoya/Mayweather made more money than UfC for the whole year. Also you telling me the fight world is not more excited about Showtime Super 6 than UFC 100?! UFC fighters are getting raped! Sell out numbers and buys but only one, 1Million$ purse fighter in history? The WWF angle is not going to help things or the fact that UFC doesn't drug test. My advice to Dana is to get his money while he can and stay away from Boxing Vs. UFC talk. One caller made it as clear as day " One HW American Champion and the UFC in dead". Just some of my thoughts. What do you guys think?:stir:

 

I think I'm sick of this debate, tbh.:: As I said in the thread on this very subject a few days ago, there will always be a market for a combat sport where people fight like they do in the real world, on their feet throwing punches at each other rather than lying on top of each other with their crotches in each others faces. Boxing isn't gonna die and MMA isn't going away either. There is probably more of an argument o be made that the UFC will eventually kill WWE given the demographics of who buys what. Boxing is in a slump because, Pac-man aside it fucking sucks right now, not because the UFC came along.

 

I doubt Lamon Brewster and John Ruiz would have cracked the top 20 in the fucking EIGHTIES never mind during a strong heavyweight era. I assume he meant when a good American heavyweight comes along.

 

boxing is dying in the US... and it is dead in Colorado i can tell you that. no one gives a shit about boxing here, and they all love ufc now.

its a fucking travesty

 

Then you're not a boxing fan. UFC 100 was a big fucking disappointment. The highlight of the night was Hendo sparking Bisping.

The other 2 fights were just dry hump fests.

I'll enjoy the super middle tournament 100 times more than UFC 100.

 

I don't care much for the Boxing vs. MMA debate/rivalry.

Boxing will always be favorite sport along with basketball but MMA is alright with me too, and I watch it sometimes.

If boxing is dying in the US and falling behind MMA, boxing largely has itself to blame anyway.

 

UFC 100 was promoted as the biggest event in the company's history. I'm pretty sure when all is said and done Pacquiao/Hatton will have outsold it and it's not even in the top 50 biggest boxing events of all time,buyrate aside.

 

Yeah I know, fair enough, but I didn't really think the card sounded spectacular to be honest. There have been other UFC cards that I've not only been more excited about, but have turned out far better.

The only fight I was looking forward to was Pierre - Alves, and that turned out to be highly disappointing. Impressive result though.

 

Well get used to it, because MMA will replace boxing. There is an agenda out there against boxing. It's so underground and barely visible it's almost like some conspiracy shit. But you see it happening. Why are so many big time publications like Sports Illustrated so indifferent towards boxing? Or the only time they discuss it is when it's something negative? Why are so many networks, sports agency's, and even Hollywood and sports personalities going out of their way to promote MMA at the expense of boxing?

Call me a conspiracy theorist but I see something out of the norm here. This can't just be a coincidence. Somebody wants boxing dead and they must be pretty powerful because they appear to be driving the knife in.

 

While De La Hoya\Floyd did monster numbers and Pac is selling a lot of PPV's, who else is there? The UFC is different than boxing as they market the brand and not the fighters. The UFC has put some pretty lousy main events on PPV, and they're still putting up huge buyrates. The shows with good main events, other than the elite boxers, nobody touches them. And Oscar is done, Tito and Roy did a great number, but that won't happen again, and I think Floyd's absense will hurt his drawing power, not help it.

Other then the super-mega fights, the UFC continually outsells boxing and WWE in PPV buys.

And as far as a feeding system goes, there are MMA dojos all over the place by me. Plus, there are smaller organizations all over the country to develop fighters. Finding new fighters won't be a problem.

And UFC fighters don't get drug tested? You might actually want to get a clue about what you're talking about next time before deciding to post about it.

Right now, UFC, as a whole, is bigger than boxing. Like it or not, it just is, and it's still growing. It's only gonna get bigger. And while I still love boxing, boxing is much further away than 'an American Heavyweight Champ' from passing MMA.


TFK

 

You are clueless if you think that MMA is going nowhere. Do you realize that MMA is still in its infancy?? You really expect purses to rival boxing?? Give it time, and I guarantee that it will eventually catch up. There is a feed system too BTW. There are tons of smaller shows and organizations that are used as a feeder system to the big shows and organization. MMA gyms are popping up all over the place. Far more than boxing gyms. Kids are learning these skills now at a very young age. My son started BJJ classes at the age of 5.

Thats funny that you say there is no craft on the art. Based on what?? Because they cant box as well as most pro boxers?? Are you kidding me?? What about the craft in BJJ? The craft in Muy Thai?? The craft in wrestling?? Dont kid yourself homie, just because it is beginning compete with boxing, doesn't mean there isnt room for both.

BTW, I guarantee thet the fight world is waaaay more interested in UFC 100 than the Showtime Super 6. Do you even know what the PPV numbers were for UFC 100??

Like I always say. I love both sports, boxing actually more, but there is definately room for both. I love the fact that it pretty much guarantees there are close to no more fightless weekends anymore!

 

Thanks for feeding general discussion with this MMA bullshit.

 

Boxing is nearly dead in the US and it won't be rejuvenating either. If you say that on this board you'll always get people in denial trying to counter saying shit like that's what they've been saying since the days of Ali and Leonard. That's true, but here is the difference.

There are no longer the same amount of boxing gyms in the states like their used to be. Back in the day you could occasionally find boxing in schools and colleges. Today, not so much. Do you think it's a coincidence that there is no real new talent replacing the Mosley's, RJJ's, ODLH's, etc. We are still hanging on to those guys. Boxing is dead and unfortunately MMA is going to replace it.

 

If MMA doesn't advance beyond the UFC...it will die off....eventually. But they can also grow if they work together and become a LEAGUE..like the NFL,NBA,etc...with all the success wrestler have in MMA you can pick up College wrestler...give 'em a year or training in boxing/kickboxing...and get them in a cage...

 

As long as their poor people in the South/Central America and in the States boxing will be alive....

and it seem to me that boxing is bigger than ever in the UK and all over Europe...

 

You are absolutely right. Everytime there is an MMA PPV from the just past weekend I hear guys at work talking about it. There could have been a big boxing event that weekend too, but if I hear guys talking about a fight I always ask what they're talking about and everytime, I mean every fucking time, it's always MMA and never, ever boxing. And these guys know those MMA fighters better than I do.

The only good thing about MMA is the quality of the fights should only get better with time. Hopefully at some point it will be so good that we won't even miss boxing all that much.

 

Fuck, I want to deny it! But I can't. It's apparent everywhere around me that MMA is kicking boxing's ass in terms of popularity.

Its a shame too, i feel like its a combination of no American heavyweights, no exciting heavyweights, no real superstars (except the aforementioned mosley's, rjj's and DLH's still clinging on), better marketing and the fact that the baddest man on the planet is no longer the heavyweight champion of the world.... its likely the MMA heavyweight champion of the world.

 

Is this true? Do you have PPV numbers for most of the major UFC events? I have always meant to compile them... i have compiled nearly all the boxing PPV numbers since they started going to PPV format, but its much more difficult to keep track of the UFC and MMA stuff...

 

I think last weekend's UFC did 1.5 mil PPV buys.

 

That's the number they were throwing around on PTI today.

On that note, this was the first time PTI had ever shown MMA any respect. The sport is slowly earning the respect of that mainstream American sports media it seems.

 

Top 10 PPV's for 2008

1. Boxing: Oscar De La Hoya vs. Manny Pacquiao, Dec. 6, 1,250,000
2. UFC: Brock Lesnar vs. Randy Couture, Nov. 15, 1,010,000
3. Wrestling: WrestleMania, Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Paul "Big Show" Wight, March 30, 670,000
4. UFC: Georges St. Pierre vs. Jon Fitch/Lesnar vs. Heath Herring, Aug. 9, 625,000
5. UFC: Lesnar vs. Frank Mir, Feb. 2, 600,000
6. UFC: Quinton Jackson vs. Forrest Griffin, July 5, 540,000
7. UFC: St. Pierre vs. Matt Serra, April 19, 530,000
8. Boxing: Felix Trinidad vs. Roy Jones Jr., Jan. 19, 500,000
9. UFC: Chuck Liddell vs. Rashad Evans, Sept. 6, 480,000
10. UFC: B.J. Penn vs. Sean Sherk/Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida, May 24, 475,000


TFK

 

the #100 seem to a mystical feel to it.....pretty sure 101 won't have teh same effect....

 

The fact is that the UFC is promoted WAY more effectively than boxing. I still don't think the products are similar in terms of quality, unless of course you're entertained by the WWE.

 

yup...and it's alot easier to promote...one company.....

 

does anyone know how much the two Affliction PPV's sold?

 

I'd guess about 500,000 buys. Forrest Griffin\Anderson Silva is a huge fight, especially to the casual fan.

TFK

 

Cheers. That's good stuff.

the only other numbers i have kept for UFC are

UFC 61 ( Shamrock v Ortiz) - 775,000<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
UFC 66 - 1,050,000