SO IS CLOTTEY STILL CONSIDERED A BORING OVERRATED FIGHTER?

I'm curious about this because whenever I would positively mention Clottey in the past, nearly everyone on here would hit me with how much I overrate him, how bad he is, and how boring of a fighter he is.

My question is does everyone still consider him as bad & boring as they used to? Don't I deserve some semblance of vindication here?

Even though I myself have folded up the Clottey bandwagon due to his fadding down the stretch and showing of bitchassedness in that fight. I still feel that he proved to be as exciting and as good a fighter as I always felt he was. You should remember that many people predicted Cotto would roll right over him.

 

Clottey was the worst possible style matchup for Cotto even before the Margarito fight happened. Clottey has a good workrate and some skill for sure, but the lack of punching power and crybaby attitude kills any chance of marketability. He's not overrated. He's a good fighter, just not great.

 

See here is what most people seem to miss. Clottey is pretty much a bad style matchup for anyone. The dude is a very good fighter but mentally he just isn't there yet, and unfortunately won't ever be, and that is a damn near guarantee.

 

A good counterpuncher could school him easily. He's lucky that there aren't any at 147. He's also lucky that there are no devestating volume punchers either.

You're right. He will never be at a high level mentally. Before the Cotto fight, I thought he would quit in the last rounds. He's like Zab Judah in that regard. He did blow the fight in the last two rounds too. If Cotto had not have suffered that cut, he would have stopped Clottey.

So to answer your question. Boring-not really, overrated-definitely not.

 

That's speculation, and Clottey himself is a counterpuncher though not a traditional one.

I think Margarito qualifies in that regard, and Clottey already fought him, and did rather well in that fight. Unfortunately his mental breakdowns showed up again and cost him that fight.

I thought he would quit at one point too, and I'm sure he wanted too. I'm not sure Cotto stops him if he hadn't gotten cut. I don't think the cut made that big of a difference in the fight.

Clottey just isn't as durable as I thought. He's physically able to take pain to a certain point, but mentally he can't take it as well. With Cotto I feel it's the opposite. Cotto can't take the pain physically, as easily as Clottey can, but mentally he can suck it up to the point where he'd probably outlast Clottey.

 

Like Margarito? Williams should fit more that profile though

 

I will always appreciate a rare legal defence,... I know Arabham and Clottey are not forum favourites but I have a soft spot for them, as I do CLING to a good tight shell in a sad age where the illegal ''back and brainstem fold'' dominates as the most popular defensive apparatus.

 

Yes.

 

Clottey is an enhanced version of Judah. Judah blows fights after four rounds, Clottey after eight.

 

True, however Clottey has only proven to lose to the elite. I think he has proven to be an elite welterweight and will only lose to the top guys like Cotto and Shane.

Even with his propensity to give away fights I'd pick Clottey over guys like Berto and Cintron. I'd love to see him rematch Margarito and/or fight Williams.

So IMO if anyone is still clinging to the notion that Clottey is overrated and not good, they are just hating and/or just don't want to give me my propers.

 

Margarito is a suspended cheater, so I didn't count him. Williams is out of the division, but I think he pummels Clottey. Part of Clottey's advantages is being bigger than the average welter. That wouldn't be the case against Williams.

 

Who exactly doing the over-rating?

Whatever the case, I still thought he beat Cotto.

 

Yup.

 

YES....

He could not beat a one eyed..MIGUEL COTTO...Cotto had that cut bleeding into his eyes since what? Round 2-3??

 

I think he's one of those guys elite fighters don't "want" to fight. But if they do, they'll probably win. He's reminds me a lot of Quartey. Quartey was a tough nut to crack in his prime but I don't think he was as good as many people thought.

Like Clottey, he generally faded down the stretch, although he was a much more determined fighter it appears than Clottey.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think Clottey is as good as a prime Quartey was. But he does present his opponents with a lot of the same challenges and opportunities that Quartey did.

Moreso than Quartey, Clottey is a survivor. If the going gets rough he goes into survival mode. And that's why he hasn't won any big fights in my opinion.

 

CLOTTEYS A BUM HE MUST BE BECAUSE HE WAS AN ACCOMPLIISHED AMATUER!!!!!!!! HE'S A PRODUCT OF THE "SYSTEM" .....ALFONSO GOMEZ IS THE TRUTH!!!! - HutHut

 

Well, yeah, they'll probably get the decision.

 

Yeah. My point though is that he's not an easy guy to fight for anyone. I think he falls into the category, especially now, of presenting a fighter with a high risk and not much reward.

 

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One of the rare times I agree with you. I had actually been thinking this same thing. Everyone always says how Clottey couldn't hold Quartey's jock strap or what not, but to be honest Quartey didn't accomplish much more than Clottey has, and they both have demonstrated a lack of mental fortitude whenever the going gets tough.

 

Clottey has skills, he's got an effective high-guard defense and can counter well after blocking shots. He has nice combos when he lets loose. He can take a shot too.

Unfortunately he has glaring weaknesses which has hurt him. He's not much of a puncher or finisher, and his mental strength isn't the greatest, to say the least. I thought the Cotto fight could've gone either way, but no doubt Clottey's stamina shortcomings and/or mental weakness hurt him. He was tagging Cotto with consistency with that right hand, a right hand which Cotto couldn't see coming with that badly cut left eye. He had the fight in his hands but practically gave it away in the last 3 rounds by doing so little. I don't like the phrase "he just wanted it more" as I think it's a cliche, but this is a case where Cotto just seemed to want it more and had more intangibles. Clottey started off very well against Margarito but fatigued and in the eyes of some, wilted and exaggerated his hand problems when Margarito started coming on strong. Clottey also choked his way to a loss against Baldomir with his fouls. The ref continuously warned him and Clottey just kept butting Baldomir even more.

 

This is honestly one of the worst threads ever. Clottey is a loser. Like I said Before the fight, cLOTTEY WILL FAKE AN INJURY AND FIND A WAY TO LOSE. COTTO, who I never thought was elite, does deserve credit though which I said he didn''t deserve before the fight. Unlike the coward Robert Guerrero, Cotto fought when he really shouldn't have and the cards were stacked against him and he still beat Clottey. I think it could have gone either way, but Clottey deserves to lose and be banned from TV. I cannot begin to understand why anyone would think anything of him. He has a difficult style with a good defense and a will to not win.

I hope he is never on tv again, awful fighter and has gutless as any man who makes a living in this difficult way can be.

In short, Brother Lb4Lb he deserve a caining fror liking Clottey at all and no credit.

 

Thanks brother Ike. ::

 

I don't know...if Quartey's record had wins over Lopez, De La Hoya and Forrest on it, he may have been remembered a little differently.

 

The cards were stacked against him...on a Top Rank card in New York City on the eve of the Puerto Rican Day Parade. ::

You sure know how to run a line of shit when you want to.

 

To even put the names of Quartey (a top ten P4P fighter for a while) in the same sentence as Clottey is a ridiculous thing to do.

Clottey is a loser and a crybaby. Quartey fought in one of the toughest welterweight divisions of all-time and was arbuably the best fighter in it.

 

That's the point he doesn't. Just like Clottey came so close to having Baldomir, Margarito, & Cotto's names on his resume'.

 

How are any of those fights comparable to the Baldomir and Margarito losses?

I don't think I know of anybody who scored the Lopez fight for Lopez. They had it right the first time.

The DLH decision is a decade old and still one of the more disputed/debated decisions of the 90's and 00's.

And the Forrest decision was generally considered one of the more controversial ones of that year.

The Margarito loss is probably more comparable to the Vargas loss, if anything...but Quartey moved up after a long layoff for that one.

 

Well I think the Baldomir loss compares to the Lopez loss because just like Quartey, Clottey was winning handily and would have won had he not kept headbutting. Quartey actually lost worse because he was beating Lopez handily but lost his focus and/or faded and got dropped 2x's in the last couple of rds which allowed the judges to fuck him.

I compare the Cotto-Clottey fight to the ODLH-Quartey fight because just like in that one you have a lot of people who disagree on who actually won those fights.

I don't think the Margarito fight though, compares to the Vargas fight, other than the fact that it was a big name that could have been on Clottey's resume'.

 

James Page got dropped twice by Lopez and still managed a decision.

The "would have won had he not kept headbutting" kinda separates it from Quartey, doesn't it? I mean, Clottey didn't actually finish twelve rounds in the fight.

Quartey-Lopez was completed. Quartey was the announced winner...and then got screwed over later.

Margarito and Vargas both ended up being pretty clear losses. Sure, you can claim Clottey was handicapped by an injured hand...but Margarito was also coming off about ten months of inactivity in that fight...and Quartey fought Vargas after a long layoff, after already having a long layoff leading up to the DLH fight...and he moved up in weight.

Still, both were pretty accepted decisions.

 

You'd have to be blind not to see their stylistic similarities and that they both have a penchant for fading down the stretch.

I'd like to hear your argument as to how or why Quartey was the best fighter in one of the toughest welterweight divisions of all-time.

You said is arguable. Let's here the argument.