Pacquiao Wants To Fight Cotto For The WBC Diamond Belt!

I don't think Cotto won those fights with his jab, though, did he? I think of cotto as a decent defense guy with a good hook to the body and a good right to the head and not as a jabber.

Personally, I think the jab is (usually) the most overrated punch in the sport. Exceptions exist--see Klitsckhos--but lots of great fighters never use it--see Jones and Mexicans.

Does your Uncle bet on fights? While I don't think it proves he knows what he is talking about, if you are given advice from someone who bets on fights and someone who doesn't--the better starts out in the lead, imo.

Talk is cheap. Even for experienced fans. And since I don't bet on fights, I include myself in that group.

 

Can't believe you used Judah as an example by the way Hex. Pacquiao is faster, and what's more will always come equipped with a strategy. Judah, whilst talented, is the epitome of a stupid fighter. Speed means nothing if you can't utilize it, but you know for a fact Pacquiao will come with a gameplan which he will stick to, and they will have a plan B etc. Comparing Judah to Pac is like comparing Paris Hilton to Da Vinci.

 

Fair enough, we will see who has the last laugh here. Let's wait for the fight. We both have had our say.

 

Hey man it's all in good jest, all banter is good for the sport imo, I'm just glad fights like this are being made. If it was anyone else in the other corner I would probably be on Cottos side dude. :kidcool:

 

:bears:Maybe you will side with Cotto before the fight. Hey you never know::

 

I know MWS disagrees, but I think both Floyd and Judah have faster hands than Pacquiao. Pacquiao is more accurate and better in many ways, but not faster, imo.

 

I agree. Zab Judah had the fastest straight left I've ever seen. Ask Floyd, who couldn't avoid it either.

Anyhow, I think that it's kind of silly to look at what Pac did against a 35 or 36 year old welter far on the downside of his career (DLH) and somehow extrapolate that it has much bearing on a fight with someone like Cotto who is maybe 29 years old and is in or close to his prime. It shows only that Pac is not a farce at welter, and is truly going to be competitive at that weight despite his slightly smaller size.

Also, Pac doesn't win fights because he is so fast. He wins because he applies constant, awkward pressure, and because he has power that pressure is effective. His speed is good as well, and is certainly a part of his success against slower guys, but it isn't spectacular IMO. Cotto wins fight typically because he controls the pace and style of the fight. He jabs in, lands body and head punches, and gets out reasonably well. He never lets up the pressure, but it is slow and methodical. Over 7 or 8 rounds Cotto usually breaks people down, and he has reasonable punching power in doing so.

When Cotto is pressured too much, and forced to back up too much, or when he is hurt or out of gas, you can see his vulnerability. He is still a tough guy, and he never gives up, but he relies on controlling the fight in order to win. If I were Pac, I would try to apply that swarming pressure like he did against DLH to get Cotto moving, on the defensive, backing up, and vulnerable. This could work well.

However, If Cotto has a gameplan for mitigating Pac's pressure, and controlling the fight, I am almost certain he will win. Keep the jab going, hit Pac on the way in to disrupt. When close, go to the body, use this and the jab to set up right hand or left hook to the head. Move but don't run, turn to escape pressure and fire back, especially when Pac lunges in, which he still does often. If Cotto lands one flush shot on Pac's jaw, he's going down.

I don't fully understand why people think Cotto is going to get crushed, unless everyone believes he is simply incapable of making a few adjustments that he needs to make to adapt to Pac's style. In that vein, I do sort of agree that if Cotto comes in like he always does with no real fight plan, and his neighbor and cousin the mailman in his corner, he is going to get beat. He needs to plan and train for THIS FIGHT and THIS OPPONENT, and if he does I think he'll win.

 

Prime Judah you could make an argument about, that straight left was absurdly quick.

But Floyd, right now, at welterweight, faster than Pacman?

No mikE, just no.

Not for argument's sake, but for your own enlightenment, watch Pacman's fights with Oscar and Hatton, then Floy's fights with Oscar and Hatton back to back.

Floyd is obviously faster than both of them, but not THAT much faster. It's not like he made them look like Forrest Griffin.

Then watch Pacman against them. He is clearly significantly faster than Floyd. The straight left comes out like a bullet, reaches it's target in milliseconds.

He made both Oscar and Hatton look like they were fighting in slow motion.

Seriously man, it's obvious. Pacman is clearly faster of both hand and foot.

Mayweather was proper quick at 130, and for some reason people seem to still be clinging to the idea of the 130 pound mayweather.

At 140 and above Floyd's speed is nothing special, nothing out of the ordinary for his weightclass. He's just very skilled with excellent defense.

Right now at welterweight, Pacman is much faster, and you'll see exactly that if they fight.

But you can see if before too, just watch their 2 most recent fights like I said ;)

 

Considering he's probably the faster fighter in boxing, and made Oscar and Hatton look like they were fighting in slow motion, I'd say his speed is certainly spectacular. And is a huge reason he's as effective as he is at this weight.

Like I've said before, usually fighters leave their speed at the lower weight when they move up (even Floyd actually).

But Pacman is a freak of nature in that he looks as fast now as he did at flyweight, but obviously against bigger, slower fighters, making his speed outstanding at this weight.

 

EXCELLENT POST!!!!:bearsAMMIT I JUST LOVE IT WHEN YOU POST!::

 

Exactly mate, DLH and Hatton had looks on their faces which suggested they had never seen speed like that before in their careers, even Diaz said it directly, and that was at lightweight. His speed is phenomenal, and something he definitely has over floyd

 

Cotto – Not if, but when…
August 12, 2009
By William Cruz:






On November 14, Miguel Cotto will state his case as the best pound for pound fighter in the world. Many writers, fans, and so called “experts” have overlooked Miguel Cotto almost as fast as this fight was put together, and continue to dream about a mega fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather.


The more I think about all of the factors in the Pacman Cotto fight, the more I am convinced that on November 14, Miguel Cotto will solidify his case as best P4P fighter in the world and will derail 2 things that night; Manny Pacquiao and a Paquiao vs. Mayweather fight! Miguel Cotto is at a disadvantage in the weight issue, the money split, fighting in Vegas, and speed, subsequently the only actual boxing disadvantage, but none of this will matter when they step in the ring.

In an interesting interview by Freddie Roach recently, he claims that the Cotto/Mosley fight will be the lead in his development for a fight plan for Manny Pacquiao. His analysis is accurate in that Cotto was able to use his effective timing to neutralize Mosley. His comments carried a bit of overconfidence in my opinion and I believe that is the beginning of the end of Manny Pacquiao’s chances to defeat Miguel Cotto.

The problem with Freddie Roach’s analysis is that it isn’t complete! And they will put all their eggs in one basket. Miguel Cotto does have excellent timing, but has underrated speed, underrated defense, and an underrated ability to adjust to every style thrown in front him. It is incredible to me that Cotto is underrated in so many areas but somehow still outshines his opponents and ultimately comes out of every fight as the better fighter.

Heart is what Miguel Cotto signifies, but skill is what will earn him the victory against Manny Pacquiao. He will box Pacquiao beautifully in the early rounds, neutralize Pacquiao’s speed with timing, and ultimately close the distance in the ring and at that point Freddie Roach will realize he made a mistake and uncharacteristically overlooked a fighter as skilled as Miguel Cotto.

So when Miguel Cotto defeats the Pacman, once again the question will be why Mayweather won’t step up and fight the best P4P fighter in the world and as Bob Arum comically stated in Cotto’s last post fight conference, Mayweather will probably go after Ivan Calderon next.
:bears::bears::bears:

 

I think Pacquiao is quicker than Mayweather at the higher weights, but I don't know about the Judah that PBF and Cotto faced (Zab seems to have slowed down a bit since then).

A lot of people think Cotto's getting beatdown but I think Manny's in for a rough night and it'll be a tough fight for both guys.

 

Roach will throw the towel. Will ask the referee to stop the fight OR Pac will quit in his corner between rounds to avoid being KTFO on the canvas. I just can't believe you guys: THIS FIGHT IS A FREAKIN" MISMATCH! Cotto will be criticized for abusing a smaller opponent. Mark my words, the same of you that don't give Cotto a chance will be badmouthing him for spanking a midget!:warning:Had Cotto not being defeated by Margacheato NONE OF YOU WILL GIVE PAC A CHANCE IN HELL TO BEAT HIM!