ROACH INTERVIEW: COTTO'S BEEN IN CAMP FOR A MONTH, MANNY HASN'T EVEN STARTED TRAINING

The second fight Marquez won for sure, and when Pac nuthuggers say it could have gone either way, that to me is code for Marquez should have got the decision.

 

Yup.. The best possible score you could make for Manny was a 113-114 loss, giving the close rounds all to Pac.

MTF

 

I thought they both looked fairly evenly matched, which was my point. Mosely came on strong late but early they both landed an equal amount, and, as I said, Mosely is noted for having quick hands.

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I would consider Cotto beating Mosley to the punch more due to timing, but I do agree his speed is much better than average and so is his feet..
I swear some of these Pacman nuthuggers have the Mayweather syndrome and downplay their opponents...
Cotto will be one of the toughest tests he has ever had.

 

:bears:

 

Cotto has very good timing and accuracy, footspeed however is not one of his strong suits ::

Plasterito? He has possibly the slowest feet in boxing, everyone he's fought moves quicker than him. Even in that fight, Cotto didn't exactly look lightning footed.

His feet are below average in speed, handspeed average.

Does that alone mean that I think he won't be a tough test for Pacman? Of course not, to the idiot that said that ::

Quite simply, it's not one his strengths, but he has others.

 

It was a shitty fight.

 

Completely disagree with your assessment that Cotto is some great boxing mind who adjusts late in fights to beat his opponents. I don't disagree that Cotto is a great fighter and one with good smarts and skills but I just don't see where he showed that in his fights against the 3 guys you mentioned. For instance Cotto's fight against:

Judah - Where was Cotto's adjustment here? Judah got dropped in what the 2nd rd? After that Judah pretty much went into survival mode and didn't throw anything of significance the rest of the fight. Funny thing is, this was the fight where everyone thought Judah showed balls, when that type of thing shows just the opposite IMO.

Mosley - Last few rds Cotto starts to backpeddle and although he's still catching Shane with well timed jabs and punches he looks visibly uncomfortable with Shanes body work. I don't see this as an adjustment but rather a reaction to the high level of consistent punishment that Cotto had never experienced before in his career. The fact that Shane won several of those last rds on many scorecards backs up the fact that Cotto did not use an effective adjustment here.

Clottey - I definitely saw no late rd adjustment from Cotto in this fight. The most I can give him is he rallied really hard but even that didn't seem evident to me. Hell he didn't really have to. Clottey, stupidly took his foot off the gas in the middle rds and stopped throwing that beautifully effective uppercut. Cotto for his part never stopped trying and didn't seem to do anything different that he hadn't done since rd 1 other than bleeding.

So that's my take on Cotto's so called ability to adjust during a fight. I'm leaning towards Cotto in this but it's mainly due to Pacquiao's lack of size and appearance of a lack of commitment. Cotto's a great fighter, and I respect that but don't try to give him abilities he doesn't actually possess. After all he already has enough.

 

Cotto's also too stupid to clinch...His ring generalship is vastly overated. I just watched the Cotto vs Margacheato fight again and Cotto is dumb as hell.

 

Indeed. If anything, Cotto usually fades late on, simply because his stamina over the championship rounds is pretty poor.

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I thought Pacquiao clearly won the jmm rematch.
I think a majority of people felt he won the re.

 

I have to disagree a bit.

Lowering his aim and hitting Judah below the belt showed some adjustment...and he did that early on. Very quick adjustment on his part.

And against Mosley, where he went from forward to reverse mid-fight...that shows adaptability.

And against Clottey, he basically went from hitting gloves to, well, hitting gloves...but, that was just a case of showing he can also stick with the same gameplan throughout a fight when/if it's his opponent changes course, as Clottey went from punching to not punching.

So he's shown he can do both.

 

Other than huge Pacman fans, or phillipinos , you are in the vast minority that thinks so.
You can think what you will of the first fight but the rematch was a clear JMM victory.

 

:bears:

 

Well if you want to consider cheating an adjustment go right ahead. I always considered an adjustment something you do that shows smarts where you out thought your opponent with skills and ring generalship.

Still can't really see where this was an effective adjustment. These were the rds most people almost unanimously gave to Shane so obviously the adjustment wasn't a very positive one. If you're doing good in a fight and make an adjustment and now you're doing worse, is it really a good adjustment?

I really don't get that one at all. You're giving him credit for making a great adjustment based on him not making an adjustment at all, but rather sticking to a gameplan.


Like I said, Cotto is already a great fighter, but it seems like some people are really reaching here to make him seem like a fighter who makes great adjustments on the fly.

 

I don't see how people can be sure either fighter one that fight. I had a hard time deciding who won most of the rds much less the fight. I did feel JMM won their first fight though.

 

If you had the first for jmm how can u not have the 2nd?
It just seemed to me waaaay easier to score.
I had it 8 rounds to 4 with a kd.
Marquez clearly won 7 rounds tho, u can't give Pacman more than 5, honestly.

 

I don't know but I plan on rewatching both of those fights soon and really scoring it. I still don't think I'll be able to score the 2nd fight because I just honestly couldn't figure out who won the rds while I was watching it.

 

I think Pacman can win this fight without training 100 percent

if im not mistaken a similar situation like this happened before with roach and when he finally met up with pacman he was in crazy shape already so they just worked on boxing and not too much on stamina

 

I hear ya, there was close rounds.
You should rewatch em though, its not like they were boring, I rewatch them every couple months or so.

 

The majority thought Marquez had won. Nearly all of press row had Marquez winning.

 

they can't score fights...thats why

Pacman knocked his ass down how many times in both fights?


In both fights it always looked like a pitbull attacking a cat...marquez was just fighting to keep manny off of him

 

Retarded

 

Pac is a good fighter.. so is Cotto

I think I keep leaning to Pac laying Cotto out totally cold on the canvas, this is mainly because I just feel Cotto is not mentally tough anymore.. and I hope Pac wins so we'll get to see Floyd-Pac

 

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Both Roger and Floyd Sr have already stated in a couple interviews that they have mad respect for Shane Mosley. Floyd Sr even went so far as to say he would have to be in his sons corner for a Mosley fight because Shane is such a threat. He didn't mean as principle trainer but just at least to have some input.

Anyway this is a good strategy for team Mayweather because I think Cotto's going to beat Pacquiao and then Floyd will easily beat Cotto.