The Ultimate Fighter 10 - Heavyweights Discussion

Actually, I think that this is just the beginning. Can you imagine what will happen once they get a network deal? The org has been growing leaps and bounds in the last couple years, and is showing no indications of slowing.

 

We'll see.:stir:

 

Let's not forget the legalized extortion known as sanctioning fees that boxers are forced to pay.


TFK

 

ANd MMA fighters don't ???? Rampage was giving a shitload of money to Ibara and I'm pretty sure Greg Jackson or American TT take a hefty % of their fighter's purse just like they do in boxing

 

Exactly, and to be honest, even the top 50 hw in the US would handle him easilly. As you said, at least in MMA, he got an advantage ( his strking ) over most opponent, even good one, in boxing, he would have none

 

Top 50 sounds pretty generous.

Kimbo would probably have a hard time moving past 4 or 6 rounders....kinda like Mighty Mo did.

 

Training camp costs are usually covered for by endorsements. Usually the only real costs that fighters incur during a fight are for the cutman, which is about 3% of the fighters purse.

Many times the the endorsement money is even more than training camp and costs, in which case the fighter pockets some extra cash. That is not to mention the "locker room bonuses" provided by Lorenzo which is never talked about.

 

He's better suited to MMA becomes he stands some chance against the average MMA opponent.

In boxing he stands no chance, none whatsoever.

If he manages to get 1 win on TUF, that's further evidence that he is better suited to MMA.

Your argument makes no sense.

It would be like saying a below average BJJ guy would be better suited to BJJ because he knows BJJ, even though you know he would get dominated by better BJJ guys. But in MMA he would stand SOME chance against guys with lesser BJJ, who aren't great at defending against submissions.

 

You can be champ in a couple of fights in MMA and he can fight on tv in MMA. He would be a nobody in boxing.

 

To be fair though, he pretty much IS a nobody in terms of his accomplishments in MMA. He is simply hyped and continually placed in the spotlight with the hope that eventually he'll look good in a fight.

That said, his chances in MMA are WAY higher than they are in boxing.

 

with the right promoter Kimbo could have been matched perfectly in boxing and been on t.v. within 10 fights. He had sooo much hype behind him coming from the internet people were begging to see him live. Don King could have made him a star. Sure, as soon as he stepped up in comp, even into the top 50-100 status he would've lost. But if you don't think he could not have been matched carefully in boxing you are really foolish about nightclub professional boxing. ::

 

Yeah, some promoter might've been able to go the Butterbean route with him...but I don't know why you're saying "even into the top 50-100", as though you assume he'd get that far, because those fighters actually have winning records.

For reasons of simplicity, I'll use Boxrec's rankings...which have Travis Walker at 101.

What do you think Kimbo's chances are against Travis Walker?

Even assuming Kimbo would have Butterbean success seems a stretch, IMO.

In fact, there's a fight that could be made. I smell a pay per view.

 

Travis Walker would thrash Kimbo.

 

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=513144&cat=boxer

 

Never heard of Walker. So I went and checked him out at Boxrec. He is the exact fighter to make my point. He has a padded record of beating guys with lopsided losing records. And even he got to an IBF title eliminator shot against Chris Areola without ever fighting anyone even near the top 50 let alone top ten to get a title shot. (thats really quite bad when you think of it) Do I think Kimbo could beat him? No idea, never seen him fight. But do I think you could match Kimbo very similarily to how Travis Walker was matched and get a nice record and possibly a regional title or maybe a title eliminator? Sure.

 

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So you would favor Kimbo against Jason Estrada?

 

The same Jason Estrada who beat Zuri Lawrence? No I wouldn't. In fact, Jason Estrada is the exact opposite of Travis Walker. Jason has half the fights as Walker and a ten times better resume.

 

Except that Walker beat Estrada.

I mean, if you're looking at Walker's resume and thinking Kimbo would not lose to a Jason Gavern or George Garcia, I'd like to know what you're basing that on.

 

Most people had the other guy winning quite clearly, I saw a few clips and it was shocking how bad Alexander looked

 

Arreola Actually STRUGGLED w/& Had to Climb Off the Canvas to BEAT Walker...Walker is a JOURNEYMAN Heavy @ Best, but he'd CRUCIFY Kimbo...Think about it, Kimbo was Knocked SENSELESS by a DEFENSIVE Shot from Petruzelli...Petruzelli is Consirably SMALLER than Kimbo AND he had Very LITTLE Leverage on that Shot...

Even w/10 oz. Gloves on, Kimbo Gets WRECKED by Somebody like Walker...



REED:hammert:

 

The Best Heavyweight in DALLAS would WRECK Kimbo...His Name is Domonic Jenkins & he's the Quintessential JOURNEYMAN...13-11-1, 6 KO's, Been STOPPED 4 Times...Ranked # 177 in the World by Boxrec...Kimbo WOULDN'T Last 3 Minutes w/this Cat...

How Would he Fare Against the 177th Best Heavyweight in MMA???...

REED:mj:

 

I hear what you are saying REED. In fact, I never made the same arguement that TFK made about Kimbo being able to be more successful in boxing. What the point I was trying to make is that with the right promoter and matchmaking, Kimbo could have been pushed up the ladder and gotten on t.v.

I know Kimbo wouldn't last against any top boxers. Chauncey Welliver is a top HW here in WA(he is training in New Zealand at the moment) and fights out of the gym I go to. He's ranked 151 in the world, and I know he could toy with Kimbo.

 

I hope this is the last season of this SCRIPTED CRAP. No wonder Rampage thought he'd be a great actor. Welcome to the WWF.

 

??

 

The preview for every single episode is going to be "WILL KIMBO GET BACK IN THE OCTAGON??":shit::shit::shit:

 

I thought last night's fight was pretty good. I was hoping the humble black guy would dominate the arrogant white guy, but the white guy caught him in a pretty nice submission.

Rampage=dick
Rashad=class

 

Rampage really is an asshole. He's a funny dude and all but an ass none the less. He's more concerned that HE is losing to Rashad than he is about his fighters losing. Rashad had to come comfort Rampage's fighter after he lost and was clearly dissapointed. Rampage just sat there all mad like the sore loser he is.

 

Yep. That was pathetic. I hope Rashad KO's him IF they fight. Rashad is a cool guy. I was hoping Demico would win too and it looked like he was going to "upset" Schaub. Schaub has a lot of work to do. He's acting like he was already UFC champ at some point in his career.

 

The difference is, Rashad is actually coaching and trying to help his fighters. Rampage is only concerned about being funny on camera. At least that's the way the editing is presenting it.

I think this season is gonna win Rashad a lot of new fans. He's coming off as very humble and classy. Consoling Rampage's fighter while nobody else would was a very cool thing to do.

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I wonder if there's been any manipulating of the timeline in this season. It just seems curious that as soon as Kimbo is eliminated, Marcus gets hurt, opening up the potential for a Kimbo return, and keeping people tuning in who may have only watched to see Kimbo.

Sometimes they show Marcus limping around like a man with a broken leg, other times they show him training and he seems perfectly healthy. I wonder if Marcus got hurt later on in camp, but they spliced that footage earlier into the season to keep the focus on a possible Kimbo return?


TFK

 

The HYPOCRISY of Dana White...

When Kimbo was in Elite XC, White Bitched about How he was "Overhyped" & How Even a Guy as Small as B.J. Penn Could Beat Him...But Now that Kimbo is in UFC, White has NOfuckingPROBLEM Milking Kimbo's Celebrity...


REED:boohoo: