Poll : Why would PBF refuse to face Mosley?

:shit: ...Erratic please,...

 

Judah and Baldomir were elite 147lb fighters when Floyd fought them and beat them.

He didn't face 1 of them guys that you mentioned because he was able to make big fights without them and Mosley turned down fights against Mayweather. Obviously now Shane is desperate and people hate Mayweather. You need an excuse for when he fights Pac/Cotto so Shane is now a killer. Shane is running from Williams exactly the same way that Floyd didn't want to fight Margarito.

 

Ok. "Why" doesn't Mayweather want to fight Margarito? Why?

Also, Judah had lost to Baldomir for Kris sakes by the time Mayweather fought him. Elite? Give me a break.

As for Baldomir? Get real.

 

Baldomir was undisputed champ. Margarito was not. In fact at the time Margaritos notable fights was a close fought win over Clottey, 2 loses to Santos and a win over Cintron.

Can you or any other Shane groupie please tell me how you guys feel about Paul Williams asking Shane for a fight, only for Shane to tell him that there styles don't match up.

 

I saw the interview, before that even happened Shane said he would take the fight if it was pushed out a month. Mayweather fought Oscar instead.

The problem with you is you are a fan of Floyd the person, not a fan of boxing. Otherwise you would be less concerned with how much money your hero makes and more concerned with seeing fights that actually matter.

I really don't see what Floyd getting the most money for the least risk does for you personally. Do you not want to see a fight between two of the best welterweights? I really don't get it.

 

The winner of the Cotto-Pac fight is the best welterweight. I want to see Floyd fight the winner.

 

Williams is calling out Floyd right now. How do you think Floyd will respond to that? Don't start critisizing Shane when you know damn well Floyd would never fight Williams either.

I mean, we have Shane calling out Mayweather, the best fighter in the world in your opinion, and you're getting all mad cause he won't fight Paul Williams? Using the logic you use to defend Floyd vs Baldomir, what title does Williams have at 147? None, but Mosley does have a strap. What's the more important fight?

 

That is a good fight too, but why just dismiss Mosley? Why even bring up the past? This is a very meaningful fight right now.

 

It's like Mosley didn't just finish destroying a guy that Mayweather has ducked for YEARS....

 

I want to hear rjjp4p defend the fact that Williams is ALSO calling out Floyd. Yet he is only giving Mosley shit about not going after him.

 

In 2006, there was basically 5 guys everyone was talking about him fighting: Judah, Baldomir, Spinks, Margarito, or Mosley. Mosley had DLH and Schaefer-related dental problems, everyone seemed to be happy when PBF rejected a Spinks fight for November (in retrospect it would've been better than the Baldomir bout). After beating Judah in April (at the time, not too many people wanted to see Mayweather-Baldomir, HBO helped push it later when Baldomir beat defenseless Gatti), it was between Margarito and Baldomir. I would've preferred a Margarito fight, but the Baldomir fight was still meaningful as he was the recognized champ, and buying out the Top Rank contract enabled PBF to get bigger fights. Judah and Baldomir were top WWs, the WW division in 2006 was still weak.

DLH and Hatton were alright with me, I'd been waiting for PBF-Hatton for two years, and the DLH fight was fine in a competitive sense as PBF had no business at 154.

Mayweather's actions after the Hatton fight is where I take issue.

 

Uh oh, I think you hit him with too many facts. His nuthugging logic couldn't come up with anything. :dunno:

 

Calling out someone with a camera in front of you doesn't mean much. It just helps build hype and it used as justification by guys like Mayweather and De La Hoya as to fight certain opponents. There's the shit that goes on in public and the shit that goes on behind closed doors between teams and lawyers and contracts.

Mayweather and Hatton's teams had been negotiating for over a year when Hatton talked about Floyd after beating Castillo. People talk about Pryor calling out Leonard in public but where the fight really fell apart is on the negotiating table over money. Mayweather and Pacquiao often verbally downplay their possible matchup but there's also reports that they've been negotiating for awhile.

 

Because Williams called out Shane to his face, Shane prefered to sit out the rest of the year than accept a fight with Williams.

 

Shane Mosley is beyond reproach when it comes to facing tough opposition. And for a PBF groupie to try to deflect criticism of PBF by bringing up Mosley is ridiculous.

Baldomir was undisputed champion, because he beat Judah !!! In other words, it didn't mean shit. Don't come at me with, "Baldomir was the undisputed champ." It's insulting to my intelligence.

 

FLOYD MAYWEATHER: "I DON'T NEED SHANE MOSLEY"

By Mark Vester
The media and fan hype has done very little to change the position of Floyd Mayweather Jr. He appears to have no interest in a fight with WBA welterweight champion Shane Mosley. Mayweather is still holding a grudge over Mosley turning down his fight request in 1999. Mayweather told boxing scibe Tim Smith that a fight with Mosley was important back then, but he doesn't need Mosley now. Mosley confronted Mayweather in the ring after Floyd won a dominating decision over Juan Manuel Marquez on September 19.
“I got turned down by Shane my whole career," Mayweather said. “I know he’s going through some personal things in his life. But I don’t need him. I would have been a good fight at the time [in 1999]. On Sept. 19 you saw a different, better, more mature Floyd Mayweather. A younger Floyd Mayweather would have punched [Mosley] in the face."
Mayweather said that he doesn't need to chase opponents for his next fight because all of the possible opponents will be chasing him.
“All roads lead through Floyd Mayweather. I like to see everybody make money," Mayweather said. “I stay in my lane. My lane is to fight on Pay Per View and to make millions of dollars. Some guys lane is to be on HBO Championship Boxing.<nobr style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 100%; color: darkgreen;" id="itxt_nobr_3_0"></nobr>

 

I'd like to see the reaction the Klitschko's would get if they refused to fight a couple of contenders that everybody wants to see. But it seems with Fraud,.. we give him plenty of space,.. we 'empathise' with his quest.

 

What do the Klitschkos have to do with anything? I don't criticize their opposition, at least not Wlad who has one of the best HW resumes of this decade. I was talking about 2006-07, when Floyd faced two top WWs in 2006 (the division was prettty weak in 2006, this was before Mosley dropped back down, before Cotto entered the division, and Williams's most notable wins were Mattheysse and Mitchell), then the next year a titlist and top 154 lb fighter, and the top 140 lb. fighter.

What he did after that is where I take issue, and feel he deserves much more criticism. He's pretty much wasted the last 2 years, and this was after the division became strong.

 

Yeah I'm not disagreeing too much about 2007, although behind the quip of Fraud being "really a lightweight" he wouldn't come in at the jr welterweight limit of 140 to fight Hatton, and now in retrospect it adds some volume to his scheme of 'catchweights'.. but 2006, Erratic please, any hardcore fan could see that Judah had lost to a scrub, at the time it was shocking, that's what should have effectively killed that fight off, we knew Baldomir was a scrub, he turned out to be precisely that, other welterweights like Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Quintana, Williams, Cintron.. have tied together and fought one another, except Fraud, the blatant ducking of Margarito was disgusting, people tried to lend excuses to him, about being tied down by top rank despite the fact there was no evidence for this, and ESPECIALLY no evidence the second time around as a free agent, which lead Goossen who signed him short term, to create that + 1$ damage control fiasco,..this is why I put the Klitschko's in Fraud's place as an example, I dont think anybody would, or should pardon either Wlad or Vitali for outright refusing to give the fans a fight against contenders we demand they face,.. they listenned to the hype behind David Haye, and granted him the oppurtunity,.. had they not tried,.. FLAMES,.. certainly no empathy, so it's better we not give the privilege to ANY one fighter, as boxing would be better for it,..

 

Mayweather Jr: "Forget Jones, Hopkins Should Fight Dawson"

By Mark Vester
While there is some interest in a rematch between Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr. - not everyone is interested. A few weeks ago, the two fighters reached a deal to fight in the first quarter of 2010. The rematch has taken 16-years to make. Jones won a decision over Hopkins in 1993 to win the vacant IBF middleweight title. Some critics are not happy with the idea of paying $50 dollars to watch two fighters in their 40s battle it out. There are those who don't view the fight as a positive to push the sport forward.
Floyd Mayweather Jr. told CBS Sports that he agrees with the critics. He doesn't want to watch them fight. He would rather see Hopkins take a better challenge - like the recognized top light heavyweight in the world, Chad Dawson. Dawson returns on November 7 in a rematch with Glen Johnson on HBO.
"I guess we have two granddads. I would like to see Bernard Hopkins face a better challenge, like Chad Dawson. I don't want to see it [Hopkins-Jones II]. Not taking anything away from Roy Jones. I like Roy Jones [but to watch him against] Bernard Hopkins - absolutely not," Mayweather said.

 

Well Floyd can criticize other peoples competition but hides like a bitch from his own? This guy is literally fucking nuts.

 

Oh you got me there. Floyd would sit out the rest of his fucking LIFE before getting into the ring with Williams. ::

 

Ohh didn't MARGARITO called out Mayweather to his face also...? Best Mayweather could mustard up was staying on his chair....asking Margarito if he wanted to go have a game of soccer...

 

Yeah Margarito did call Floyd out. Difference being that Floyd had other options. Shanes options was to fight nobody but talk shit about everybody being scared. HBO ended up giveing Shanes own date to Paul Williams.

 

Mayweather option was DE LA HOYA..and that was in the future..and not the near future.....Margarito was calling Mayweather out for a good year or 2 before the DLH fight...

and please don't use BUMDOMIR as an excuse...there was probably 2 people calling for that FIGHT...and one of them was Carlos Bumdomir himself...

 

Well didn't Mosley just call out Floyd to his face? Fuck the past, fuck the lose tooth, we're talking about today. Also what happened when your hero called out Winky Wright and Winky accepted? What did we hear after that? Crickets.

 

:atu::bears: I remember that....

 

LMAO!!!!

 

I'm convinced now more than ever,that Floyd is bad for boxing.He should of just stayed his ass home.

 

Yep. Your avatar says it all.