The "ARTHUR ABRAHAM is a Baaaaaaaad Man" BANDWAGON...

There Seems to B STRONG Opinions on Both Sides of the Arthur Abraham Debate...Is he a BADASS or is he OVERRATED???...

What Say Ye???...


REED:hammert:

 

He can punch, I will give him that. As for the rest of his game, not impressed. He will definitely lose in this tourny. How can someone NOT out point this guy?

 

I have to agree. He's not terribly hard to outwork/outbox and i don't think his power is going to "save" him every time out.

 

Abraham is one of those guys who look easier to beat than they actually are. He is a legit top level fighter without a question. On this tournament only Kessler is too good for him

 

Is he a decent fighter? yes of course. He's a bigger, poorer mans Khaosai Galaxy, to my eyes. Very strong, but crude. It makes me yawn all over watching him though, I seen Kangaroos on youtube box with more panache.

And his defensive style is a case in itself for changing the design of boxing gloves. As I said before, makes a mockery of the martial aspect of boxing.

 

You want less padding on Abraham´s gloves? Taylor and Gevor want more. ::

 

U Keep SAYING that but REED just DOESN'T See It...Ricardo Mayorga is CRUDE...Daniel Ponce Deleon is CRUDE...Rocky Graziano was CRUDE...To REED, "Crude" Mean ARCHAIC, SLOTH PACED, UNcoordinated...Some CAVEMANish Type of Shit...

Abraham's PACE is a Point of Contention, but he Hardly Looks "Crude" from what REED has Seen...His Balance ISN'T Really a Problem, Per Se...He Gets EXCELLENT Leverage on his Shots, has Above Average Footwork & Respectable HANDSPEED...His Style is SHORT of Being ATHLETIC, but it's Faaaaaaaaaaaaar from CRUDE....



REED:mj:

 

agREED...

All U Gotta Do is Beat Up his Arms & MOVE when he Returns Fire, Right???...ANYBODY Could Do That....



REED:cheer:

 

Well I'll be damned. Boxing gloves were introduced 120 years ago and only now somebody (and only one person) has figured out that you can avoid getting hit and win fights simply by keeping them high:notallthere:

 

Nah...

There's a GREAT DEAL More Padding in Today's Gloves than Previous Eras...Look @ Black & White Footage...Better Yet, Look @ Footage from the 70's...Gloves were ALOT Less Padded...MORE Padding = More Surface Area that the Gloves can COVER, when Using the High Guard...

But on the Flipside, Jermain Taylor Might STILL B Hospitalized, if the Gloves Abraham Hit him w/were LESS Padded...Abraham would FEEL the Incoming More, but he'd Also INFLICT MORE Damage...



REED:mj:

 

Occasionally he'll throw a shot with nice form, but for the most part his punches do look crude, they look like dead weight retard punches.

The punch that put Taylor away was nice and accurate, but most of his power shots before that missed by a country mile, just these big, wide, swinging blows. At least as crude as Mayorga's shots.

He kind of gives the impression of being less crude than Mayo because he's far more patient and defensive obviously.

And REED, I am strongly opposed to this bandwagon :kidcool:

 

Well he swings pretty wildly and often leaves himself off balance. But more than that it's that he only has two modes of fighting - covering up and swinging. It's atavistic. Given his strength that'll get him far, but it wont beat the best (if someone approaching that level ever surfaces) and doesn't interest me personally as a spectator. One things for sure, in ten years time I won't be sticking in tapes of Abraham to appreciate.

 

The way he turns from turtle to tarantula, does take his opponents by suprise I think and it helps his power some. I'm not on the bandwagon, but I ofcourse do appreciate a refreshingly legal defense, but I would not score fights for him on the basis of his armour, and if the aggressor dints it a bit without any significant return fire, they win, simple.

On a slightly different note, congratulations on your choice Reed, your first middle-eastern cat since Naseem Ahmed. Unlike several other Americans, it's nice to see you spreading the love internationally, especially for one of the worlds most opressed people.

 

He is a bad ass. Anyone who he can hit, he can KO. But he'll be slayed by the great Dane in the final!:hammert:

 

Abraham is a very good fighter, I'm not a fan at all of the high guard defense he employs but he's very good at it and his huge punch makes his fights watchable. He's very explosive but he throws wide, but thanks to his good balance, he's hard to counter. Many people overate him, but many underate him also. Wouldn't be surprised if he gets outpointed by Dirrell but wouldn't be surprise if he khtfo either

 

Don't you think you're sizing him up a little too shamelessly Halle? :crafty:,... Ward is unlike a fighter Kessler has ever fought before and he's got to go to America to dance, the fact that Ward has inside skills and swift hands means he's a EURO SLAYER,.. and a slayer of Kessler 'The king of the European style' in particular,...just like the stubborn porcelin orphan found out against Calzaghe, the white penis-tongued raven.

 

Very poor post, from the top of my head, both Wright and E. Clottey have also used the high guard defense in the recent years, and like Abraham, both these fighters have fans that claims that in all of their close fights they were comfortably ahead ( save of Course the William where Winky was past it and maybe the Vasquez fight because of the kd, thought I know some people claim their were a couple of slips ) because they aren't hit clean often ( and not considering that a lot of the punch do land when using the high guard, just look at Abraham face after the Taylor fight or Wrights very Soliman, both were very swollen yet a lot claimed they dominated and it wasn't close)

 

Ward has a chance, Ive said so several times. BUT... I dont trust Ward's chin, or his stamina... which is why I'm picking Kessler.

If Kessler gets by Ward, then its smooth sailing for him. Froch will be an easy fight for him, and Taylor(or Green) would be an even EASIER fight for him.

 

Who's done that?

 

I wouldn't be surprised at all if we find out one day Abraham loads his gloves.

But giving him the benefit of the doubt, it's Abraham, not Froch, who should be given the nickname, "Cobra." It really does seem like Abraham must have some kind of special timing and placement with his punches. Then again, the last guy I said that about was Trinidad.

 

Ian Gardner

 

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I pick Dirrell to outpoint Abraham (and his bandwagon emptying quickly). I am a fan of Abraham's but stylistically it is a very difficult fight for him, the speed difference will be big

 

very good point

 

What about the speed difference between Froch and Dirrell?

I'd be more concerned about the height difference if I were Abraham.

But as far as speed, Abraham is much quicker than Froch.

I can't pick Dirrell over anyone in the tournament at this point. He proved himself to be absolutely awful, and in my opinion, he embarrassed himself.

Have you ever seen a pro fighter so afraid of getting hit? The guy is not a professional fighter. He fights like an amateur. Now I know why I don't bother watching amateur fights.

 

I like Ward a lot..............he's a solid, solid fighter, but not much more then that IMO. He will challenge anybody he faces but will probably fall short against Kessler. I hope I'm wrong because I will probably be rooting for him.

He is faster then Kessler and he is more active then Kessler. I think Kessler is stronger and has a much bigger punch, not that I think Kessler is a huge puncher, but I think Ward is very Juan Diaz like. He commits to his punches but just doesn't seem to have a lot of pop in them. I think Ward may be able to steal some early rounds with Kessler coming on and taking control at the end of the fight. I'll be surprised if Kessler knocks him out though.

As I said, Ward is faster but his style negates a lot of that. Like Meldrick Taylor he commits to his punches whole heartedly so he's always there to be hit against another skilled boxer, no matter how fast he is.

 

Abraham is quicker than Froch but usually he doesn't show the same aggressive attitude Froch did. I can see a scenario where Dirrel has the edge pot-shotting Abraham while Arthur is behind his guard, and then doing a quick runner when Abraham attacks. Arthur has to show more will to attack all out than usually, and it remains to be seen how well he deals with Dirrel's sharp counters

 

He'll have to be able to occasionally time Dirrell's lunges, which Froch wasn't able to do because Dirrell is so awkward. Abraham's patient approach might actually work a lot better then Froch's pure aggressiveness. Make Dirrell come to him every once in awhile and try to time him, instead of letting Dirrell always be in a defensive and reactive mode to sloppy pressure.

 

And I predict Arabham wont attack any more than he usually does, which is why some people resent him, and I believe he has the 'house advantage' firmly in mind, which encourages the lack of will, and his running out the last 20 seconds of rounds adds some body to what I suspect is an illustration of 'homely' comfort, but thankfully he wont recieve such ease on foreign shores.

 

Say what you want about dude. But one thing you can't deny is his power. This fool can whack with the best of them...








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