Margarito vs. PBF (with plaster) @147

Margarito without plaster is the fighter who lost to Mosley and who did NOT beat Cotto. He is NOT the fighter I said was a threat. How does he do against Mayweather with plaster?

 

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Great topic. Tony gets butchered.

 

To this day there is no evidence of plaster helping a fighter

 

Does Floyd come in at weight or does he pay Antonio off?

 

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Cotto's FACE???...


REED:hammert:

 

I thought you wanted facts instead off ASSumptions:crafty:

 

Is it proven he had the plaster wraps in that fight? Doesn't someone from Cotto's camp have to be there to see the wraps? If that didn't happen who's fault is that? :stir:

 

I was wondering if that hadn't been one of the reasons Cotto split with his uncle. If I were him, I'd be pissed that my team fcked up like that.

 

I don't know if i read it somewhere....i think maybe Cotto or someone from his team said it in an interview..but apparently Team Cotto didn't send anybody to witness Margarito handwrapping...

 

So for the HBO Televised Mosley Fight, where he was HEAVILY FAVORED, Margarita Felt Compelled to LOAD his Gloves, yet On HBO-PPV, Against the YOUNGER, UNDEFEATED Cotto (Who had a WIN Over Mosley), Margarita DIDN'T Load his Gloves???...

Yeah, that Makes Sense...



REED:notallthere:

 

Guilty until proven innocent! If Antonio had something in his gloves for Mosely, then certainly he did for Cotto. Just like if Roy Jones Jr. needed roids for Hall then certainly he did for Hopkins, Ruiz, Toney, etc.... I just love how people will dismiss Roids for boxers and yet crucify everything else. Because as we all know, Roids don't help athletes at all..:notallthere:

 

Tell the ENTIRE Story, Dude...Roy Jones AND Richard Hall BOTH Tested Positive for Roids, THEN they Both Came Up NEGATIVE in the Immediate RE-Test...On Top of All of that, this Occured in INDIANA, Which ISN'T Exactly Renown for its' Stellar Boxing Commission...



REED:shit:

 

That doesn't make it fact though. Shady? for sure, fact? nope.

 

I leave you with this tidbit posted by Greg Leon in his mailbag. Please, tell me this is a joke. Greg Leon has never been one to joke about Mayweather though.


One thing you might not know is that Floyd is hoping Dmitriy Salita pulls the upset over Amir Khan so the two could meet Spring 2010 at YANKEE STADIUM. Salita wins, there is no other fight for Floyd next. Salita loses, then it's got to be either Manny Pacquiao, Miguel Cotto or Shane Mosley. If there's anybody else he can do a million homes plus with, please let me know. - G. Leon

 

Damn, that's one good match-up!!
Salita (if he defeats Amir Khan) will become the hottest commodity in boxing, undefeated, young, Jewish (!) banger from Brooklyn.
This will be a fight that's throwback to the 20-s and 30-s, when Jewish legends like Benny Leonard regularly clashed with the best African-American fighters of the day.
And being a Brooklynite that I'm, I'll be buying those Yankee tickets as soon as they go on sale!
Too bad Salita won't pass Khan....

 

Let's see here, Salita is shorter than Floyd, weighs less than Floyd, has a shorter reach than Floyd, sure, this could happen then, he meets all the requirements.

 

Kostya Tszyu built his career fighting old, short, small featherweights (Grove, Leija, etc).
Surely, PBF can be afforded the same courtesy?

 

Is Salita still w/ TOP RANK..or did Arum dump his brotha?

 

Mayweather fancy himself in the same league as Sugar Ray Robinson/Leonard, Duran, Whitaker, Ali,etc those guys fought the best fighters of their time....in a few different divisions(except for ali course).

When you call yourself the greatest fighter to ever live...the BEST...you are expected to do more than your average guy good fighter like Kostya..

Leonard comes out of retirement and fight Hagler at 160..yeah Hagler was NOT in his prime.....


Mayweather comes out retirement and looks at the lower weight for his comeback fight...OLD ASS Mosley is right there for the taking but tooo tough a comeback for May...

 

Who cares what Mayweather fancies himself as?
It's all about what we fancy him as....As a fighter, who clearly is better than Kostya Tszyu and whose resume shits all over Kostya's....

Why?

He most certainly wasn't. In fact, it was the last fight of Hagler's career,

Yes, he fights one of the best P4P fighters....in the world....

 

And everyone agrees on the fact that Mayweather is better than Tszyu and has a better resume....Tszyu is not on Mayweather level.

Because the previous GREAT fighters set precedence if you call yourself the best you have to fight the best....would LEONARD by remember today as an ALL TIME great had he never fought HEARNS or BENITEZ???

I know Hagler was not in his prime....but neither is Mosley and Mayweather didn't want him as a comeback fight...or as a opponent NOW...

Who jump from 135 to 143-45 to fight Mayweather who weigh in at the Welterweight limit(147)..and was probably 150+pounds on fight night...and without testing the water at 140 or 147 previously.



I like feeding the troll...it's fun sometimes...:crafty:

 

god forbid you actually trust the commissioner to do his job and have someone inspect all wrappings. To think the commish would actually have to work for a living is ludicrous.

 

the outcome of this fight would depend on whether both fighters had the decency to not cower away from their opponents and turn their backs to them
of course any boxer can be successful and disgrace themselves by doing this, but they generally choose not to

 

Kostya would have beaten PBF BTW..Styles.
-Just thought I'd mention that.

 

No, he wouldn't've even come close BTW.....Styles.
-Just thought I'd mention that.
PS. I'd also mention that Zoo never faced, yet alone defeated fighters' of PBF caliber's, while PBF is known for routinely knocking out fighters of a much better caliber than Kostya....

 

does it really count though? i'm sure anyone could be successful if they chose to break the rules and turn away from the opponent...just like anyone could win fights if they fought like Ruiz did
fortunately most fighters have the decency not to do this :bears:

 

People get convicted all the time on circumstantial evidence. Does that mean they were presumed guilty? Or rather that the body of circumstances made it hard for a rational, thinking person to consider them "innocent"?

You can try to rationalize how Margarito managed to crush Cotto, against whom he was a strong underdog but then with (verified) normal gloves he gets killed by Mosley, wherein he came in the favorite. You can try to somehow explain how Cotto's face became a bloody, puffy, red, mask against Margarito even though he never looked CLOSE to that before, despite being knocked down hard in previous fights a number of times.

But the hardest thing to rationalize is what REED pointed out - there is evidence of loaded gloves coming into the Mosley fight, which was in all ways a less significant fight against a less threatening opponent than Cotto - but yet people truly believe a fighter who has a proven willingness to load their gloves would take the high road in the BIGGEST fight of their career?

Put this all together, and it's a reasonably convincing case. But I will tell you what the kicker is for me. It's human nature. Once a fighter is proven to have the (despicable) ability to cheat, especially with something as brazen, and frankly dangerous as loading their gloves.... human nature is such that they will do it again unless caught. Seriously - why would it make any sense for Margarito's trainers to start doing the plaster thing before the Cotto fight, but for that one fight Marg says "No! Not tonight! Tonight... we play fair!" and cast off his plaster, indignant? Does anyone really believe that?

Just look at previous "proven" glove tamperers. The Billy Collins fight was the most important fight of Luis Resto's career, and so his gloves were loaded. And even Resto, who actually has a conscience unlike Panama, lied for 25 years and said they never tampered with the gloves except in that fight. And many believed Resto, because after all THAT was the biggest fight of his career. But it's human nature. Resto finally admitted, just in the past year or so, that they had removed padding from the gloves in maybe A DOZEN other fights!!!! Even insignificant fights!!

But yet people STILL believe that Marg only loaded his gloves vs. Mosley? IMO that is no longer a rational position to take. The best you can do is to keep blindly chanting that "there is no proof". Well there is no "proof" the sun will rise tomorrow, either.

 

I guess the same logic applies both ways, the best you can do is to keep blindly chanting that "If he did it once, then certainly he's done it before" and try and base that on a completely different fighter in Resto, but in reality there is ZERO proof and cheating always has to start with a first time. And seeings how the 5th amendment tells us we cannot be punished without a fair trial and reasonable evidence and since there was no trial and no evidence leads me to my conclusion. Certainly we all have our opinions whether he did/didn't and thats cool by me but I will not discredit his win based on no evidence.

As for Cotto's face being a mess, that's what happens when you get hit in the face constantly by a puncher. I guess if we used that logic we can assume Lennox loaded his gloves because I've never seen Vitali get cut up like that before either. Now I guess you could say Lennox was never guilty of loaded gloves which is fair but leads me to wonder how many times he was checked for it. Has Antonio only been checked ONCE in his career? He did it for Shane but not the biggest test in his career which was really Paul Williams? I mean he did hit Williams quite a few times and didn't leave his face a mess..

 

Antonio Margarito was NEVER EVER Considered a Puncher, Dude...He was an AVERAGE Puncher @ Best....EXAGGERATING the Truth ISN'T Helping your Case...



REED:hammert: