Kelly Pavlik to face Miguel Espino on December 19th

Indeed. I am stunned that Pavlik and his camp would do this.... even if he IS ducking Williams (which seems much more likely now), why schedule a fight so close and make it this obvious?

If this is all true then I will have to take back all of my shit-talking statements to everyone in the previous thread. I thought the injury was very legitimate and it was foolish to mock Pavlik, call him a coward or accuse him of anything but legitimately pulling out of a match due to injury.

 

Hmmmmm....

Floyd - Champion Since 1998...Won Titles from 130-154...BEAT the Likes of Genaro Hernandez, Chico Corrales, Manfredy, Castillo (2x), Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Corley, Gatti, Zab, Hatton, Dela, etc...

Pavlik - Champion Since 2007...Won Title @ 160...BEAT the Likes of Jermain Taylor, Edison Miranda, J.L. Zertuche...

As Much As U'd LIKE to Make them Comparable, ANY Comparison btwn Floyd & Pavlik is IDIOTIC @ this Point...Take Away Floyd's BEST Wins & he STILL Has a MUCH BETTER Resume than Pavlik AND 4 Additional World Titles...@ Least Floyd ACCOMPLISHED a Great Deal PRIOR to the "Careful Selection" Of Opponents...



REED:hammert:

 

Fraud was raised to p4p4p4p4p4p4p4p4p4p champ in the midst of his drought, after sprinting from the Castillo rematch in a horrible eye-searer 7 long years ago, he knew very well up in these higher divisions he'd have to be cautious, and that's precisely what he's done, he's been at 147 for 4 years, imagine Pavlik sifting through welterweights for that long as a middleweight? What I'm referring to is Fraud's various duck jobs, most noteably 2006, and careful selection of opposition as you've referred to yourself,.. why havent you been harsher on Fraud the way your jumping up and down on Pavlik?.. As I said,.. you defended Fraud's conduct ferociously, ruthlessly,..so why is this not a time for celebration? :cheer:

 

*For the 2nd Time*

Because Floyd Actually ACCOMPLISHED A GREAT DEAL in the Sport of Boxing, PRIOR to Carefully Selecting Opponents...UNlike Pavlik, Floyd Registered CONSIDERABLY MORE than 1 or 2 Meaningful Win B 4 Carefully Selecting his Opponents...

Pavlik's in the Phase of STILL ESTABLISHING Himself, yet he's ALREADY Picking & Choosing???...

REED:hammert:

 

:nono::nono::nono::nono: Ahhh, Reed please,.. opening an avenue for a fighter to 'carefully pick and choose'?... Where does that leave us hardcore fans?.. empathising with the exploitation of mainstream idiots?... 'das da one das da one'.... I know some get off on that, thinking about his perce and his celebrity appearances and ppv numbers,..

but Reed please, do the right thing, not the white thing.

 

REED ISN'T Opening an Avenue...REED is Merely Pointing Out that Floyd did a Whole Helluva LOT MORE In his Career than Pavlik Did, B 4 he Started Picking & Choosing...Floyd Started Doing it AFTER YEARS of Taking on ALL Comers...Pavlik Started Doing it IMMEDIATELY After Beating Taylor...



REED:hammert:

 

Yeah, but honestly I still feel surprised.

After he bashed Miranda, bashed Taylor, and rematched Taylor too, I really had him pegged as a sort of middleweight Chico.

Basically I thought he was a fight anyone kind of guy. Obviously not.

Pavlik's certainly not going to have many fans left now, why doesn't he just fight Tall Paul on the same date??

 

In Pavlik's defence, 160 is a complete dead man zone and has been for a few years now. After Taylor, there really wasn't many places to go and abraham, the only money making, viable alternative, promptly fucked off to 168 after impressing vs Miranda in the US.

For all of that, Pavlik is rapidly running out of excuses and this latest escapade is very, very weak...

MTF

 

The Hopkin's loss CLEARLY has had an extreme affect on Pavlik's mindset. Beforehand, he was, as you say, a 'fight anyone' type of guy. Now, it seems he won't even fight unusualy large welterweights.

A shame...

MTF

 

7 long years,.. Fraud, has had the RIGHT, to slip back and enjoy the riiiiide, and we can appreciate and enjoy the 'farewell parade' into the future.

 

Because he asked Williams to move it out to the 19th and he instead signed to fight Martinez so why wouldn't he take another fight on the date he asked Williams to move it to?

Could it be that he really has a bad staph infection and it's legit? No! Not on fightbeat! ::

It was a long drawn out duck job? Why the hell would Pavlik waste so much time "Ducking" Williams? He could have just called it off at the beginning of the staph ordeal, but he tried moving it out twice. Why go through that just to duck a guy in the end? He didn't have to sign to fight Williams to begin with.

 

But Abraham was a Looooooooonger Reigning Middleweight Champion than Pavlik was AND, after Abraham Beat Miranda Decisively (& OPENLY CAMPAIGNED for a Fight w/Pavlik), Pavlik Chose Bernard Hopkins, who was Coming Off of a LOSS to Joe Calzaghe...

Abraham Showed a WILLINGNESS to Fight in America, Disposed of Miranda even EARLIER than Pavlik Did, yet Pavlik Elected to Face a 43 Year Old Coming Off a LOSS....



REED:hammert:

 

Are you really trying to say Pavlik took the Hopkins fight to duck Abraham? You cannot be fucking serious. ::

 

What REED is Saying is that a Win Over Abraham would've Done MORE for Pavlik than a Win Over a 43 Year Old Guy Coming Off of a LOSS to Joe Calzaghe...Hopkins was "Carefully Selected" Because of his AGE, How he LOOKED Against Calzaghe & the Natural Presumption that he was RIPE for the Picking....

Even REED Bought Into it...



REED:hammert:

 

You think Abraham beats Hopkins? 43 ,coming off a loss and all. I know you don't believe for a second Abraham was a tougher fight.

 

REED "Thinks" Abraham was UNDEFEATED, a FELLOW Beltholder @ 160, WILLING to Fight in America AND Coming Off of an Even MORE Impressive KO of Miranda than Pavlik's...But Instead, Pavlik Chose to Fight a 43 Year Old Man Coming Off a LOSS...

EVERYBODY Saw that Bout as 1 of those Crossroads Holmes-Ali, Marciano-Louis Type of Bouts, as Did Arum & Team Pavlik...



REED:hammert:

 

You just ducked my question worse than Floyd ducked Margarito.

Do you pick Abraham to defeat Hopkins? It's a simple question.

 

Is that what happened? Did Pavlik and his camp request a two week delay, and Williams refused and then almost immediately sign to fight Martinez?

 

Bernard's a LIGHTHEAVY, Right???...Abraham JUST Moved Up from MIDDLEWEIGHT...

What's the RELEVANCE???...

REED:hammert:

 

That's what Pavlik's Camp is Saying NOW to Save Face...@ the time, they COMPLETELY PULLED OUT of the December 5th Date w/NO TALKS of Pushing it Back 2 Weeks...If that WERE The Case we Wouldn't JUST B Hearing about it NOW...



REED:hammert:

 

Right - because lets go back and look at the articles. I was pretty sure it was an indefinite postponment on the part of Pavlik and their camp due to a serious staph infection. Then shortly thereafter, there were numerous pictures released detailing the severity of the infection, then stories from Pavlik and his camp about how it never really healed since the last postponment and had only gotten worse, THEN a story from Pavlik and family and doctors about how he nearly died because of the infection.

never in all these articles did i hear ANYTHING about them requesting a two week delay or anything of that sort

 

I thought Pavlik was pitching a postponement to mid-Jan?

I believe Jan 23 was the date being thrown around.

 

What Frustrates REED the Most about this is the HIGH EXPECTATIONS he had for Pavlik...This Dude Could've SERIOUSLY Reinvigorated the Sport, CARRIED the Sport Back to the Mainstream...

Since the Taylor Fight, The Most Fitting Word to Describe Pavlik is "DISAPPOINTING"...

REED:hammert:

 

The relevence being YOU saying he took one to avoid the other.

 

I remember a while ago we had a discussion about some of our favorite active fighters in a thread - I had listed some populars like Pavlik, Pac & Cotto because they all were exciting and willing to fight the best and you were in full agreement with those sentiments.

Cotto & Pac have proven that to be true, but Pavlik most certainly has not

I want to believe that the staph infection is true because I was vehemently bashing everyone who mocked Pavlik in the prior thread - but this just looks highly suspicious.

If anyone can produce some legitimate proof that Pavlik's camp originally requested a 2 week delay initially, please do so. I would like to see it

 

false

 

R U DENYING that Going Into the Fight, Bernard was Viewed as "Circling the Drain" of his Boxing Career???...


REED:hammert:

 

No, it's TRUE...



REED:hammert:

 

He certainly was, and still he's a better fighter than Abraham. Do you disagree?

 

Article posted 10/21/09 They wanted it pushed back to Jan 23.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=22979