Firepower over 1 million buys

That... and because its a fad sport which will never have any true crossover STAR.

In other words... you'll NEVER EVER see a UFC fighter that becomes as big as Ali, Tyson, Foreman, DLH, Leonard, Holy, Floyd, or Pac.

 

Jesus tapdancing Christ.

 

What has White said about boxing recently? He criticized Mayweather, but that was because of Mayweather and his tactics---not boxing itself. White said you could watch Mayweather for $59.95, or you could watch 5 competitive fights for 10 dollars less.

BTW, UFC isn't a sport. It's an organization. The New York Yankees aren't baseball. They are a baseball team.

G is working with MMA organizations. It teamed with Affliction for the Fedor-Arlovski fight. Even RJJ has started teaming with MMA.

I just don't get why people have to see it as one or the other. White runs his mouth because he's trying to create interest in his company, but that company is not the sport of MMA. It's a very strong component in that sport, but the sport is bigger than the UFC.

People should remember that White knows saying outrageous stuff will create interest. He's a salesman like Don King or Bob Arum, but he isn't the sport.

That's like blaming basketball because Marc Cuban acts like a retard sometimes.

 

Buddy my only point is that right now boxing and the UFC seem to competiting more against eachother, whereas perhaps the two should come together more.

Like I said... if its done right... UFC/Boxing could ONE DAY rival the NFL/NBA. It may seem far fetched at this point, but I think its possible.

 

I agree that boxing and UFC should support each other. Boxing, as a skillset and as entertainment, covers a huge dimension in MMA.

As for Dana White, there's not much that can be said about him that hasn't already been said. He runs his mouth and seems classless at times. Apparently the Fertittas are fine with that, but it really cheapens the sport's image when one of the most visible representatives constantly rips one of that sport's greatest fighters, Fedor, simply because he didn't sign with that company.

I think White cares about his company first and foremost---shades of Don King. It's too bad people associate MMA with some of the dumb stuff he says.

 

I'm glad the fight did huge numbers. I'm just sick and tired of hearing people claim that boxing is dying when in fact boxing so fucking exciting it ain't even funny. We got a block buster of a fight last weekend and we will be getting another one this coming weekend when Ward/Kessler hook up. I'll Holla 5000

 

I clicked on this thread thinking this was about boxing and all I see are some fags bitching about the UFC. Talking shit about Dana White, yet in the same breath doing the exact thing you are bitching about. ::


Take it to the MMA forum!

 

Floyd v DLH - 2.4 million buys
Pac v DLH - 1.25 million buys

Floyd v Hatton - 920k buys
Pac v Hatton - 850k buys

Floyd v JMM - 1 million buys
Pac v JMM 2 - 405k buys

hmmmmm, yea a 50-50 splits seems fair to me

:notallthere:

 

Word. People are making it out like PBF can't draw anyone::

 

Exactly...

The FAIREST Way to Guage the Split is by COMMON OPPONENTS...But Pac Fans DON'T Want to Do that Because they KNOW Pac LOSES in that Instance...The FACT is, Miguel Cotto is ALSO a Pretty GOOD Draw...It's NOT Like this Fight Sold like it Did Based SOLELY on Pac...Cotto HIMSELF had a Good Selling PPV's w/Margarito & Sugar Shane PRIOR to Fighting Pac...

Floyd Does a Million Buys vs. Marquez, who's NEVER been a Draw...Pac-Cotto Does MORE than Floyd-Marquez, yet it's ALL Because of Pac???...

Get the Fuck Outta here w/that BULLSHIT....



REED::

 

They're also Making it Out like Cotto Contributed NATHAN to the Sales of his Fight w/Pacquiao...


REED::

 

I would disagree. The direct comparisons have some big caveats as you well know. A) Pac is a star ON THE RISE much more exponentially than Floyd B) The oscar Pac fight was regarded as a farce at the time. C) Hatton had already been beaten by Floyd so his marketability had been slightly diminished.

Cotto is hardly massively more marketable than Marquez as a ppv attraction. Slightly but not by much. That Pac outsold Floyd in their last fights indicates to me that Pac has now equaled Floyd's marketability.

 

Pacquiao/DLH was a farce to knowledgable fans. PPV is bought by the masses.

So Hops/Pavlik was a PPV bust because the fans saw it as a farce? Nope. it was because the masses didn't give two :shit: about them. Most boxing fans were hyped up on the matchup.

 

Floyd deserves 65-35 split, based on the PPV numbers against common opponents with Pac-man.
Anything less would be an insult to Floyd and to boxing fans around the world.

 

i definitely think that Cotto is a more marketable fighter than JMM. Whether its fair or not. Cotto has had multiple PPV events now and unless JMM is in against someone of Pac/Floyd's calibre you will see him on HBO every single time.

 

In EVERY OTHER Instance, Sales vs. COMMON OPPONENTS Is Used, but since Guys DISLIKE Floyd, All of a Sudden the Criteria is Supposed to CHANGE???:shit:...

As for your Points,

A) CLEARLY, Floyd Mayweather is STILL a STAR in his Own Right...In a Comeback Fight (that was POSTPONED), Against a SMALLER Guy that he was HEAVILY FAVORED to Beat, Floyd Did 1 MILLION Buys...U CAN'T Diminish That, Dude....

B) ALL of Dela's Fights Did GOOD PPV #'s, Farce or Not...The Circus Like Atmosphere Surrounding the Pac Fight Actually HELPED the Promotion in REED's Opinion...

C) Where's the PROOF of Hatton's "Diminished" Marketability???...If Anything, Hatton has THE MOST Loyal Fans in ALL of Boxing...On Top of that, they Looked @ Pac as a MORE BEATABLE Opponent than Floyd & a Chance for Hatton to REDEEM Himself, Thus Producing Good PPV #'s...

Miguel Cotto is TWICE the Draw the JM Marquez is...Do YOU Honestly Think Marquez could SELL OUT MSG as the Headliner????...REED Doesn't...Bottom Line, Pac DID NOT "Outsell" Floyd in his Last Fight...Pac AND COTTO Outsold Floyd in THEIR Last Fight...



REED:hammert:

 

Pacquiao post-DLH is a completely different box-office animal. The Hatton fights are the only ones that you can fairly compare, and those numbers are pretty close, and Pacquiao star has risen further since then.

Don't forget the international audience either....Pacquaio is a bigger star world wide, and although most of the revenue is generated in the states, it still counts for a lot when it comes to television rights etc...

 

50-50 split is the only way to go in this one

 

If REED Isn't Mistaken, Pac's Fights R Shown for FREE in the Phillipines...There AIN'T Many PPV Dollars Being Generated in 3rd World Countries...



REED:hammert:

 

Imagine you and another guy are being interviewed for two positions in the same company.
Your resume, expirience,expertise, track record and skills are way better than those of the other guy, and you're both hired....with identical pay.
Would you call it fair?

 

yeah, and you think the nice guys at HBO/Top Rank (whoever the rights holder is) just beam them a feed for free?

 

They should make the fight 60\40. 60 to the winner, 40 to the loser. Make it 65\35 if it's by KO.

TFK

 

Do YOU Think HomeLESS & ShoeLESS Filipino's R PAYING to Watch Manny's Fights???...



REED::

 

And in most cases it would be fair. But in this instance Pac's marketability probably TREBLED after the Oscar fight rose again after the Hatton fight and has no doubt increased significantly on the back of the Cotto fight too.

And as I said, the fairest comparison is their last fights - and while you're right Cotto is more marketable than Marquez (though the MSG point is irrelevant - NY has so many PRs it may well be his home town - let Marquez fight in San Diego or El Paso and see if he cant fill out a 20k arena) it's not by so much the comparison is useless. In fact didn't Floyd say he picked Marquez for his marketability? :: Bottom line: RIGHT NOW Pac is at least as big a draw.

 

That makes too much sense....

 

Just split it, or do 45/45 - 10% to the winner.

 

Do you think crack addicted Fried Chicken eating big lipped gorillas, dark skinned afro street walkers, and Al Sharpton are buying Floyd's fights???

ALABAMA ::

 

Don't U Think Floyd's Marketability did LIKEWISE After Facing Dela & Hatton???::...THE Highest Selling PPV EVER is Dela vs. FLOYD...NOT Dela vs. Pac, Dela vs. Tito or Anybody Else...

The Fairest Comparison IS NOT Their Most Recent Fights, Because Cotto has Actually HEADLINED HIS OWN PPV's, Something Marquez HAS NOT & WILL NOT...There's NO WAY U Could Get 20,000 Fans to Pay MSG Ticket Prices for a Marquez Bout...

The ONLY Thing we Can Say w/CERTAINTY is that Pac AND COTTO TOGETHER Can Outdraw Floyd Against an Opponent he's SUPPOSED to Beat...There's NO PROOF that Pac HIMSELF is "As Big a Draw" as Floyd...



REED:nono:

 

Nope, They're Not...



REED:kidcool:

 

Yeah I didn't think so either. ::