Firepower over 1 million buys

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  1. REEDsART

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    So is their a PPV Arm Charging Filipino's to Watch Pac OR R his Fights Broadcast for FREE as they Insinuate???...



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    Umm you know NeTVision and ABS CBN have been carrying Pacquiao PPVs for a long time in the PI. Of course they also have public telecast in malls and theaters for 500-700 Pesos (around $10-$12). But maybe they can't get to the mall because they lack shoes.
     
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    Yes Floyd's marketability DID rise after the Oscar fight too. Which is why I think it only makes sense to compare both mens last two fights. As I said, I dont think Cotto is that much of a bigger draw than Marquez to justify a 400k disparity in PPvs, if thats what it was, apparently we disagree on that. I also think Floyd's marketability probably diminished by his boring perfoamnce aganst a guy 3 weights smaller than him while Pac's will have continued to rise significantly after Cotto.

    50/50 is fair.
     
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    Why would Dana white be angry? You think he expects to outsell Huge PPVs? UFC has done 1million buys before and thats terrific. UFC has an average of 1 PPV a month, and sometimes two in one month and does well every time. If the PPV numbers didnt do well, they wouldnt have PPVs every month. Trust that Dana isnt threatened by Boxing. As young as the UFC is, and they are already pulling Boxing type numbers is ridiculous.
     
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    no, i didn't say that.

    The broadcasters pay for the fights, and when you attract the audiences and subsequent advertising revenue that Manny Pacquaio brings, then i'm sure they are willing to pay a lot.

    Of course the bulk of the money comes from the US PPV, but basing a pot-share solely on those numbers, as is being done on this thread, is being narrow-minded.

    From a UK perspective, this weekend's fight seemed to me to be the biggest not involving a brit since Tyson. Mayweather and Pacquaio have built a fan-base following their wins over Hatton....i am pretty sure that the potential super-fight would be PPV here too....bumping up the amount SKY would pay for the rights.
     
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    I agree that he won't feel threatened. Numbers like this in boxing aren't the norm, and i don't think the MMA/Boxing crossover is actually that big. They aren't the same market.

    He's probably envious, i'm sure he'd love a fight that could pull the kind of numbers that a Mayweather-Pacquaio fight would.
     
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    Fuck that...50-50 isn't fair.

    55-45 Pac.

    if Floyd doesn't like it he's the one that looks like a bitch in this.

    If Mosley gets past Berto it's not nearly as big as Pac-Mayweather "however" it's still a big unificaton fight. Mosley would have two titles to pac's one.

    What's Floyd left with?
     
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    Do you think retaliating an insult about money with race is acceptable here?
     
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    Well we know mosley will take a third of the pot to fight either pacquiao or mayweather jr., but he'll be left out in the cold again this spring. He will have to wait until next fall and hope it isn't a competitive fight that warrants a rematch.
     
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    I always find it funny when regular folk argue how much a fighter should be paid. It's like they're giving an excuse for a good fight not happening. It's BS.

    This fight should be 50/50 if the ppv prediction holds up. No doubt about that. And it will be 50/50 as well. The only difference might be on how PPV money is handled.


    And FYI, Cotto never sells out the garden by himself. He's had to stack the undercard or get a NY opponent, and even then they don't always sell out. And that's only talking about the puerto rican day eve. On other dates, he doesn't sell out the garden.
     
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    PPV numbers should have no bearing on what is 50/50. pac deserves 50 because is the best fighter in the world and had beat best.
     
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    In a perfect world, it would be 45-45 with 10 going to the winner or something to that effect. But the truth is, whoever brings more fans to the ppv box, gets a bigger slice of the pie.
     
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    why does Floyd deserve 50%..was the Marquez fight that rousing?
     
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    because he generates more PPV buys?
     
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    dude....
     
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    He is undefeated and people want to see the fight with him an PAC. Thats the fight everyone is looking for. Since that fight is so in demand, he deserves 50%.
     
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    Floyd would tell you the same thing about himself.
     
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    Salita. :lol:
     
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    Floyd is delusional though. He also thinks boxing would die without him. So his words mean shit. We as boxing fans will give him the credit he deserves. He doesnt tell us where his place in history is, we tell him. He gets 50%. He is lucky he gets that too.
     
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    Personally, I don't think he even deserves Parity. Pac is the one taking risks here, Floyd is just trying to get easy money. I'm sure Floyd will find a way to avoid this fight. My guess is he thinks he deserves at least 60% of the pot. It will kill the fight and he will act like it's Pac's fault. If Pac does the same thing to him (price himself out), good, he deserves it.
     
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    Give it to him. I dont have a problem with Floyd getting at most 50%.
     
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    The problem is, Floyd wouldn't believe Manny should get 50%
     
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    Floyd draws more PPV buys he at least deserves 50%
     
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    I know, but thats where he is mistaken and so is anyone else that thinks that. If this fight doesnt happen, its because Floyd stops it from happening.
     
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    Your logic is flawed. Floyd drew more buys against DLH than pac, because DLH's loss to floyd already took away some of his PPV power. Floyd drew more buys against hatton than pac, because Hatton already already lost to Floyd when he fought pac. You cant compare the marquez matchups because what made Pac an even greater draw were the fights AFTER Marquez.
     
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    So why does Pacquiao deserve more of the money if he has been feasting off of Mayweather leftovers for the most part? it ok to rationalize why Floyd got more PPV buys fighting the same fighters since they were already beaten by floyd but pacquiao gets all the same amount of credit if not more when he beats these guys?

    Cotto is a great win, better than any of Floyds at 147 this is true - but in terms of their PPV drawing ability, Floyd fought a lightweight no-hoper and still drew 1 million buys whereas Pacquiao had to take on one of the biggest welterweight challenges in boxing to make his 1.4 million buys
     
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    50/50 is fair. You know as well as I do that Floyd thinks otherwise though.
     
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    Because Pac started at 106 pounds, fought guys much bigger than him and handled them much better than Floyd did. Not just beating them, but making it look easy. while Floyd is fighting guys smaller than him.

    Solis, Larios, Barrera x2, Marquez x2, Morales x3, Diaz, DLH, Hatton, Cotto

    This is an impressive list. Much better than floyd's resume by A mile.
     
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    Thats why the fight won't happen. Floyd is delusional and thinks he deserves more money then Pac. Floyd isn't gonna fight anyone dangerous at this point. He wants easy paydays.
     
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    It will happen. if they offer these guys 25 mil each, they will fight
     

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