PBF vs Pacman: Who wins if the fight is made?

At 147 if you put a gun to my head, I'd slightly lean towards Floyd by safety-first decision.
However P4P Manny would win & is the greater fighter

 

Pacquiao had the greater career..but Mayweather would beat him...P4P

 

i dunno
Mayweather struggled against Judah early, who is also a speedy southpaw with power
Floyd even got caught good a few times against southpaw Corley :dunno:


then again surely Mayweather should do better against Pacquaio than Marquez did

 

I will pray to Chinnus Maximus,if Freeike allows it, for a Pacquiao upset over Floyd. But except for a miracle, Pacquiao has zero chance to outbox Floyd, much less KO him.

 

Floyd speaks!:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“Manny Pacquiao is the fighter and every time someone asks him if he wants to fight me, he says it is up to his promoter, he’s going to take a vacation, whatever the answer is,â€￾
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] “I have yet to hear him actually say, ‘yes I want to fight Mayweather.’ We are the fighters and if one fighter is talking about fighting another fighter, then they should just come out and say it. Manny Pacquiao doesn’t say anything directly about fighting me because he might just know it’s not a fight he can win. He said during an interview he did leading up to his fight that he didn’t think I wanted to fight him and that boxing for me was just a business and I wasn’t interested in a good fight. But again, he never said during that interview that he would fight me. Why is he talking about what I won’t do instead of what he wants to do? Plain and simple, it’s because he knows he can’t beat me under any circumstances.â€￾ [/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“Less than an hour after his fight Saturday night the talk turns back to me. Their whole promotion was just a Mayweather sweepstakes. They know it and anyone could figure that out. Why, because my name kept coming up and I didn’t even say anything. Even when he was interviewed on ESPN by Brian Kenny, he was asked about fighting me and what did he say? Not ‘yes I want to fight Mayweather or bring it on.’ But no! He said ‘hum, ahh, well talk to my promoter.’ [/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“The world is much more intrigued by the thought of someone fighting me who can beat me. That is what everyone wants to see and the boxing world is trying to find that guy. Manny Pacquaio’s people have done a good job of creating an image of him to be this unbelievable fighter and now the so-called guy to beat me. But like all the rest, he’s not the one."[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“There is boxing and then there is me. The rest are just falling in line behind me or are trying to get in line to fight me. And that includes Manny Pacquiao too."[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“Tell Manny Pacquiao to be his own man and stop letting everyone, including his loudmouth trainer, talk for him. I am my own boss, speak for myself and tell it like it is. If Manny Pacquiao wants to fight me, all he has to do is step up to the plate and say it himself.â€￾[/FONT]

 

What do you think each fighters best weight is, at what weight would you give each the best shot against each other, & what do you think would be the fairest weight for them to fight each other at now?

 

It's funny how Floyd shits on Pacquiao for not directly saying he wants to fight him.


Yet eveytime Floyd brags about being his own man he is constantly asked "who do you want to fight"? he always says he leaves that to Ellerbe and Haymon because they are the best businessman blah blah blah!

then when he is asked again who he wants he starts saying shit like " I don't have to target anyone, I'm at the top blah blah blah!

Funny how Floyd does the same shit he talks about Pacquiao.

 

Didn't read too much about PBF wanting to fight Pacman either.
If PBF wants to be the best he has to fight the best, & he shows no signs whatsoever of wanting to do that.

If they both retired today, Pacman would go down as historically the greater fighter.
The latter part of PBF's career would read as a story of wasted opportunites and unanswered questions that could of been answered if he dared to take on the greatest challenges available to him..

 

Now, nobody can say that PBF is fighting a midget, blah blah blah... because that midget is now a full-fledged welterweight who beat another true welterweight. So Floyd should get his credit once he makes a fool out of the Pacman on the ring.

 

they are not retiring today. by next june one of these fellas will have received a whipping that will render this entire post irrelevant.

 

So after picking against Pacman 5 times in a row, you're still underrating him to this degree? ::

Nobody is going to make a fool out of Pacman in the ring.

 

Manny just smashed to smithereens a guy that Mayweather retired to avoid facing...

Manny has the TWO things that are required to give Floyd all he can handle. He is lightening fast, arguably as fast as Mayweather (moreso IMHO), and he is frighteningly powerful with both hands.

As a general rules (and there are exceptions, I'll admit), those fighters who spend all their time trying desperately not to be hit don't take well when eventually they do get hit. Mayweather strikes me as a similar type of guy, and there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that, at some stage, Manny will get to Mayweather. He is too fast and uses angles too well NOT to.

I only ever semi-doubted Manny once and I swore I wouldn't do it again. That includes a fight against Floyd.

I think Manny stops him.

MTF

 

i hope so....

 

He is faster than Mayweather, of hand and foot.

Mayweather is neater and more conservative, a thinker, and very skilled. But as for raw speed, Manny wins, clearly.

Like I said, people seem to still think this is the 130 pound Floyd. 147 pound Floyd is not as quick as he used to be. Pacquiao is now significantly faster.

 

Floyd has had troubles with southpaws in the past, and Manny will be the fastest southpaw he has ever faced (including Judah), and unlike Judah, he will have a plan and a strategy, not just go in there relying on natural talent. That straight left is going to give Mayweather nightmares, and he WILL get hit, as MTF said, Manny is too fast and comes in from so many angles that it's ridiculous to think Floyd won't take any incoming.

 

Floyd by decision. Just like everyone loves Manny's straight left, nobody's straight right compares to Mayweather's.

 

Not only that, but even though Marquez was too patient, too slow, and too small to really have much success, he was landing clean counters on Floyd.

They were sporadic, but that was largely down to Marquez hardly throwing anything for the most part.

Floyd hardly looked unhittable in that fight.

And Pacman's punches are not only incredibly fast, but the angles and the way they are thrown probably make them the most unpredictable punches in boxing.

 

I agree this is the key for Floyd, that's what Roach has to work on neutralising, and I think he will have something for it.

 

Damn PBF will have his hands full in this one. Cant wait to see this fight! Hopefully it gets made!

 

I agree, Marquez looked sluggish yet he still got through with some good shots, and Manny doesn't throw one at a time, it's 5-6 punch combinations, some are going to get through no matter how good Floyds defence is.

 

Sure, Floyd had Trouble w/Speedy Southpaws in the Past & Pac will B THE BEST Floyd has Faced of that Ilk, but by that Same Token, Floyd will B THE BEST Pure Boxer & Defensive Fighter Pac has Faced by a CONSIDERABLE Margin...

If Pac had PROBLEMS w/the SKILL & ACCURACY of Marquez, he's Gonna have a MULTITUDE of Issues w/Floyd in those Regards...Also, Pac had PROBLEMS w/Cotto's JAB in the Early Going, whereas Floyd Arguably has THE BEST Jab in the Business...Granted, Manny Eventually DISSUADED Cotto's Attempts @ Jabbing w/Counters of his Own, but Cotto is a More STATIONARY Target than Floyd...Fl;oyd WON'T B Standing Still AWAITING Counters, as Cotto did...

REED Sees Floyd FRUSTRATING Manny w/JAB & MOVE Tactics Early, then Implementing More & MORE Lead Rights as the Bout Progresses...Manny's ENERGY will Make it Seem as if he's just a PUNCH Away & the Crowd will Go CRAZY Whenever Manny Fires Off a Combo, but on the SCORECARDS, Floyd will B Piling Up a Near INSURMOUNTABLE Lead which will Lead to a Unanimous Decision Win...




REED:hammert:

 

Very good point! Lets not forget the power behind them punches. Manny knocking people the fuck out.

 

That's what makes this fight so interesting, they both have the key to defeat the other, Floyd with that straight right, and Manny with the straight left. I am sure though, that Roach will come up with something to negate Floyd controlling the distance. I can't see Manny being subdued into doing nothing other than just following Floyd around getting hit, like so many in the past have done. Mannys speed will be able to overcome the shoulder roll tactics which Floyd likes to employ on the ropes, I can't see Manny NOT getting through if he tries that. However I'm not ignoring what Floyd brings to the table, both coaches will have to come up with masterplans for this. I'm going with Manny though, I think he has the "X Factor" if you will, and can get the win.

 

Damn I can't believe Im saying this but I think Manny not only can beat PBF I can also see him STOPPING HIM! You guys are bringing up very good facts! Like mentioned before if Marquez slow ass was able to land a few solid shots, just imagine what Manny can do with that speed!

 

I can see it as well, it's always the shots you don't see which hurt you the most. Although admittedly that goes both ways. It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility that either guy can force the stoppage.

 

Yeah but don't forget that Cotto was landing on Pacquiao...esp. w/ the JAB and it once only once or twice it happen in every round..even the ones Cotto was getting busted up...also Pacquiao seem frustrated by Cotto moving away from him...Mayweather will jump in and out...move and counter..frustrating Pacquiao...Mayweather is a bigger, better, faster, stronger, more skilled version of Marquez...

 

I amended my original post before reading this. The more I've thought about this, the more I agree with you.

MTF

 

Compubox is criminally generous to PBF. I think they over-compensate for what they think is a natural tendency to think PBF is getting hit when he's not.

 

PBF is still very fast with one punch at a time. It's his combination punching that is significantly slower than Pacquiao's (not that Mayweather ever throws combinations anymore).