Was Cotto overrated?

agREED...

Say what U Will about Floyd's RECENT (Last 3-4 Years) Matchmaking but he DID Make Attempts to Fight Shane & Cotto...AND the Likes of Casamayor, Freitas & Spadafora, Several Years Ago...



REED:hammert:

 

So when a Guy is VOCAL about Trying to Fight You & YOUR Response is that U're Going on a Vacation, that DOESN'T Count???...



REED::

 

All that is well and good. But did PBF even offer Shane a fight or are we just going off of what Mosley said in a post fight interview when a commentator asked him about it?

Also, yes I do view him making plans to spend time with his family as a valid excuse. He said he'd just fought 3 times in a row and needed a break. It's hard to get up for 4 training camps back to back like that and even then he didn't even ask for that long of a break.

So what he if he said he'd do it for 8 mil. Everyone has a price that would make them do something they don't want to.

 

When did Floyd say he wanted to fight Shane because I don't ever recall that happening? Just show me a quote or a press clipping where he said he wanted to fight Shane Mosley and I'll admit I'm wrong about it.

 

But U Can't EXCUSE Shane for NOT Taking the Fight when it was THERE For the Taking, THEN Try to Label Floyd as a DUCKER for Not Fighting Shane NOW...The FACT is, Floyd DID Try to Fight Shane & Shane Cited a Tooth Ache &/or Vacation...Whether that was VALID or Not, Floyd DID Try to Fight him...

That DOESN'T Absolve Floyd from Fighting Shane NOW, but it would B INACCURATE to Say that Floyd NEVER Wanted the Fight...

REED:hammert:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPJhvYXKZK8

During the Shane Portion of this Link, he Says he KNOWS Floyd has a November Date After Merchant Tells him the Fight would Make Sense, but He (SHANE HIMSELF) Suggests that Floyd Go Ahead & Fight Margarito Instead...

Floyd Ended Up Facing Baldomir on that November Date, then Dela in May of 2007 & Hatton to Close Out 2007....


REED:hammert:

 

How was the fight there for the taking? Floyd never offered Shane a fight. A commentator asked Shane what he thought of a Floyd fight and that was when Shane made the tooth comment. I don't see how a commentator asking Shane about a fight with Floyd and Shane ducking the question gives Floyd credit for trying to make a Mosley fight and the outcome being Shane ducked him.

If you want to say Shane showed no interest in a PBF fight at that time I'd have no problem with that, but saying Floyd offered Shane a fight because a commentator asked a question, just isn't accurate.

For all we know Floyd exhaled when Shane made the tooth comment.

 

And my point still stands. Floyd didn't offer Shane a fight. Just because you have evidence that Shane had no interest in a PBF fight doesn't mean Floyd gets credit for trying to make that fight.

 

Then obviously you dont know boxing. Floyd is undefeated.

 

Whatever Dude:shit:...

Floyd had ZERO Intent of EVER Fighting Margarito & Therefore NEVER EVER Uttered Margarito's Name...But Floyd CLEARLY was Willing to Fight Shane in 2006 AND 2007 (Not to Mention Earlier in his Career) & Spoke OPENLY About it on Several Occasions...

On 1 Hand, U Wanna ADD Shane to this List of Guys that Floyd has Ducked & TODAY Floyd Probably is, but it's INACCURATE to Act as if Floyd NEVER Pursued the Fight...

Shit, by YOUR Rationale, HOW do we KNOW that Shane has OFFERED Floyd a Contract???...Getting in the Ring & Calling him Out WWE Style ISN'T the Same as Submitting a TANGIBLE Offer....


REED:boohoo:

 

Sorry, but was Margarito undefeated? I didn't think so.

 

First of all I never even brought up Margarito, you did. And you're right, Floyd offering a fight or contract isn't really an issue, but show me one instance where Floyd openly showed an interest in fighting Shane.

The reason this bugs me isn't because I think Floyd ducked Shane or Shane ducked Floyd. The reason it bugs me is because Floyd is lying about it and people continue to spread his lies. All I ask is that someone show me where Floyd once said he wanted to fight Shane. Because all you and everyone else is talking about is some damn post fight interview where a commentator asked a question and somehow that is when Floyd tried to fight Mosley.

 

If the 1st Part of the Link ISN'T an Instance of Floyd "Openly Showing Interest in Fighting Shane", WHAT IS???...Floyd VERBALIZES his KNOWLEDGE of Shane MOVING BACK DOWN to 147 AND Dela Being a Viable Option...Floyd OPENLY SAYS he Wants to Fight BOTH of them...

Not Really Sure WHAT MORE U Need, but Fair Enough...

The NEXT Time U Speak of Floyd "Ducking" Shane or Showing RELUCTANCE to Fight Shane PLEASE Provide PROOF of a CONTRACTUAL OFFER from Shane or Else it's BOGUS...

Aight???...



REED:shit:

 

Floyd calls our everyone. And they all have losses. Who cares if they actually fight...they've all been beat, Floyd hasn't. AND Floyd's shit is paid for. Why don't you guys get it?

 

Fuck that REED. Shane is considered a ducker of Floyd just as much as Floyd is considered a ducker of Shane. IMO Shane has shown a much stronger interest in fighting Floyd than Floyd has shown in fighting Shane. However I'm not sitting here trying to say who ducked whom. My point simply is Floyd never actually showed any real interest in a pursuit of fighting Mosley. I tried to find something on the internet but everytime I typed in something like "Floyd calls out Shane". Whenever I hit enter all it pulls up is "Shane calls out Floyd".

You point out a short part of an interview where Floyd shows interest in fighting Shane yet Shane has several full interviews completely dedicated to calling out Floyd. Not to mention when he confronted PBF after the JMM fight. Look, I get that Floyd wanted to fight Oscar over Shane, I don't blame Floyd for that one bit. I'm just sick of people repeating Floyd's lies. He's like a politician the way he flips the truth and so many people fall for it.

 

Will you go away already. ::

 

Agreed!

 

But According to YOU, it's All about the CONTRACT, Isn't It???...If Floyd's 1 Interview DOESN'T "Show Interest" then HOW does Shane Doing a Couple More Interviews & Some WWE Shit "Show Interest"???...U CAN'T have it Both Ways, Dog...


REED:hammert:

 

If I go this thread dies. Just like how if Floyd leaves boxing dies.

P.S he's undefeated.

 

Floyd is undefeated in the WWE too. He beat the Big Show. That's another weight class too.

 

Floyd has never lost. Therefore, he is the best.

 

No it isn't about the contract. I was just trying to make a point when I said that earlier, but when you countered Mosley didn't offer a contract either, well your point was taken by me. 2 sides have to agree before one can offer a contract so like I said, in hindsight it isn't about the contract.

As for the difference in Shane and Floyd's interviews I feel the guy who's done several videos through several different venues including tv shows, sports channels, boxing sites, and magazines is a bit more interested then the guy who called out Shane once while he was feeling the high of just winning a big fight on HBO. It isn't like we as fans believe the sincerity every single time someone calls someone else out on national tv. But what I do believe is consistency and Shane has consistently shown a desire to fight Floyd.

Now I'm not above saying Shane didn't openly ignore the availability of fighting Paul Williams during his "nobody wants to fight me" period that followed his destruction of Margarito. The bad part is Shane would actually have a shot at beating Paul Williams because PW fights like a fucking idiot at times.

Anyway I'm bringing up the PW thing involving Shane in hopes you'll take that as some kind of consulation prize because I know me and you will argue this shit for 15 pages before it's all said and done.

 

OK...

Here's an Article from the Same Time Period where Floyd 1nce AGAIN Speaks of Fighting Sugar Shane...

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=7668&more=1

It’s crystal clear the 34-year-old Mosley is still on top of his game and that Team Mosley is turbo charged and aiming in the direction of the man with the heavyweight ego, Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather, <NOBR style="COLOR: lightgreen; FONT-SIZE: 100%; FONT-WEIGHT: normal" id=itxt_nobr_10_0>Jr.</NOBR> For his part, Floyd says, "First, I'll beat Shane and then I'll beat his boss [De La Hoya]." Mayweather continues to dismiss a lucrative offer from Bob Arum for a date with tough and rugged Antonio Margarito.


Basically REiterating what he Said in the Merchant Interview, After the Zab Fight...NOW has he "Shown Interest"???...



REED::

 

Just realize that some guys will take Floyd's word and not consider Mosley's side of things. Mosley openly disputes Floyd's claims of "trying to make the fight" but what ever Floyd says is the truth. ::

Me, I don't gve a shit what happened in the past, Mosley vs Floyd is a just as big a fight as it ever was. It needs to happen, plain and simple.

 

Not sure if you realize this or not, but what Floyd said there, did not happen. I don't remember the fight being offered to Shane. Floyd can claim it all he wants, but did they even approach Mosley about negotiating?

 

Well he did verbalize interest. So I guess that means I have to believe him. I'll give Floyd the benefit of the doubt but just don't be surprised when I continue to defend the fact that Shane didn't duck a fight with Floyd.

 

What are you saying that this quote from Floyd is phony?

 

It's Pretty OBVIOUS that Floyd WANTED the Fight 1nce Upon a Time...Just as it's Pretty OBVIOUS that he Wants NO PARTS of Sugar Shane Now...



REED:hammert:

 

As far as I am concerned, neither guy made a legit offer to the other to fight. Anyone can say what ever they want, if the fight is going to get made someone needs to start negotiating. That did not happen.

It's useless to debate this, nobody knows what happened. All we know is the fight didn't happen. The good news is it's still a great fight and should happen in 2010. There is NO excuse for it not to happen now.

 

That's what I've been saying forever. Just like how Floyd claims Shane ran up to 147 to avoid him. Meanwhile over here we got Zab Judah saying Mosley ran to 147 to avoid HIM. So which of these lying mofos am I supposed to believe? The answer is C none of the above.