TWO STRAIGHT weeks of bullshit decisions... what next?

Wright's problem is that he was 'Wlad Klitschko' monotonous,.. jab, jab, jab, jab,.. occasional straight,.. he was boring. Unfortunately around here, people are most stimulated by strict counter-punchers who 'dance' ie back-pedal around the ring, 'anticipating' the rare pot-shot,.. Winky had a refreshing legal defence as opposed to Wlad,.. but Wlad will try to hurt his victim, as opposed to Winky. As far as entertainment goes, I'd rank those two about the same.

 

You resort to biggotery now? :: Honestly, I thought that weak shit was below you. And I love the fact that you accepted with docility to not count yourself in Jaws' list of conquests! :laughing:

 

Wrong. Germany was the new US. For, oh, all of 4 seconds. Then it reverted to being Germany again and people like Eddie Chambers and David Haye got decisions.

 

There was a threat of a KO in the 2nd Mosley-Winky fight, when Winky dropped his hands.

I dont know. Byrd had a useful storyline, despite debuting at 169 and making his hvy debut around 10 fights later, he got a lot of people talking with the "Blown Up Middle Defeats King Kong" thing. That made serious copy until as late as 2006. Stinks, on the other hand.......was born to the "3 dollars in his back pocket with cornflakes for brains" Leon, which kind of was useful, till Zab Judah, a fuckup if ever there was one, actually KO'd him.:shit:

I dont know if Ali was a racist, but he sure did do a lot of things that would be regarded as racist if whitey was doing it. "Ting Tong Tyna Man", "Joe the Gorrilla"..."White Music Is All "Coming Round The Mountain As He Come", making claims that Bugner only got big fights cos he was white etc.

 

Winky's fight with Simon was very entertaining as were the Vazquez and Vargas fights to a lesser extent.

Both Spinks-Judah fights were fun.

Byrd, however, was only watchable when he was decapitated by Ibeabuchi

 

BINGO
Spoken like someone who actually understands boxing

Well said

 

How exactly is a 12 round decision an indicator of a boring fight?

MAB/Morales I -- 12 rounds

Pac/Marquez -- 12 rounds

Morales/Pac -- 12 rounds

Vazquez/Marquez III -- 12 rounds

Ayala/Tapia I and II -- 12 rounds

Chacon/Boza II -- 12 rounds

Lopez/Lockridge -- 12 rounds

Frzier/Ali -- 15 rounds

Off the top of my head, that is 9 great, epic fights that went the full distance.

You can argue wether or not Winky Wright is boring, but the logic you have chosen to utilize is idiotic

 

This is such a bullshit myth.

Any discussions about favorite fighters around here typically bring up a wide variety of fighters with guys like Chavez, Duran, Arguello, Hagler, Pacquiao, Hearns being frequently mentioned and clearly very popular with the members here.

I suppose the more interesting posters with less of an agenda-based viewpoint will often have a wide variety of favorites... three of my all time favorites were Chavez, Whitaker and Saad Muhammad... three guys who have absolutley nothing in common stylistically

REED has on several occasions mentioned to me his favorite fighter growing up was Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini... we all know REED as being a big Roy Jones fan... could there be two fighters LESS alike than those two?

I keep hearing from you and Jaws and Free Ike about this vast board-wise conspiracy to elevate guys like Floyd Mayweather and Bernard Hopkins to holy positions... yet when there is a topic about either of them, I see far more criticism (some of it constructive, much of it childish and cheap) of these boxers than I see praise

The simple fact is that you guys have such a completely extreme viewpoint on these fighters that any differing opinion, no matter how moderate, seems radical to your sensibilities

It is like discussing health care with a far right conservative or discussing sexism with a member of the Taliban, trying to discuss race relations with Louis Farrakhan or any kind of libertarian idea with Nancy Pelosi.

Any type of objective thinking is seen as radical by people who have an unrealistic, rigid worldview. That is why it is completely pointless to try and have sensible discussions with any of you guys... you are all wrapped up in these ridiculous, inflexible internet caricatures

 

Very well put, cdogg90210.:bears:

 

Watch the fights and get back to mE.

Boring fights can be compensated greatly by ending them with a stoppage, a la Vitali. Winky, otoh, methodically beat up no-hopers for 12 long, boring rounds again and again with no hope of it ending early.

Picking a few examples of good 12 rounds fights isn't exactly dispositive of anything, either. Without knowing anything else, if a fight ends in a stoppage or if it goes the distance, the distance fight will probably not be as exciting. I pointed him to several consecutive examples of boring fights having a charactersistic of boring fights. That's not idiotic, it's evidence.

 

Oh come on....did you find the Arreola fight boring? I thought Klitschko showing all those angles and feints and finishing on his jab everytime was pure class.

 

My agenda is pretty simple, the aggressor, who throws more, and lands more, wins the fight, however, aggressive counter-punchers, can actually land more than the fighter pressing forward (Calzaghe - Lacy), and in that case, they win the fight if it goes the distance. If a particular punch 'appears' to hurt a fighter, then that counts, but if the 'flashier, faster pot-shot' doesn't, I'm not going to invent that it was 'the harder and more effective shot' when the aggressor is continuing his superior workrate and landing more despite of it. That's not 'unrealistic' , nor is it unrealistic for fighters to have to obey the rules of boxing, people with the real 'sinister agenda' are the ones with fluctuating scoring criteria based on the fighter, there seems to be a pretty solid consensus here in what constitutes a 'great fight', it always involves plenty of two-way action,.. rather than two safety-first, negative bitch fighters terrified to engage, or fighters who clinch, run, turn thier backs, duck below belt level, in order to slow the fight down to thier own advantage, it's these kinds, and those who's style fundamentally relies on breaking the rules, that need to die off. The fans want great action packed fights, well, let's score in favour of aggressive, engaging fighters who make for great fights.

In what you have highlighted in my above post about Wlad and Winky,.. I think it's true,..most people around here would prefer 'dancing' over 'frequent and monotonous engagement'.

 

Hopkins has made not just a career but a name and reputation out of flagrant rule violations and boring, distance fights. Yet, as an American of the correct, uh, the correct appearance, shall we say, appearance, he gets a pass.

Wladimir knocks people out, has a few fights against guys who didn't want to fight, and gets some reputation as a slow, boring, safety-first dude. Yet he has a couple of one-shot KO's in his most recent fights. Who has Hopkins done with one shot recently?

For the sake of comparison, compare Wladimir in the last round vs Sam Peter to Hopkins in the last round vs Joe Calzaghe .

There is no comparison. One of them had the fight won, and was trying to end it spectacularly, the other had lost and was stinking out the joint, cheating, running down the clock as he did it.

Both fights went the distance, but only Hopkins had plain packed it in by round 6, preferring to break the rules, refuse to fight, feign injury, try to get his opponent disqualified, etc- helped along by the Joe "I got a sick daughter" Cortez.

 

:atu: great comparison chief.

they are both boring cunts, but at least one of them isnt a pussy.

one guy is in his 20s fighting a fat, nigerian bum. the other was in his 40s fighting a great champion.

 

Amazing isn't it. Joe Calzaghe becomes great as soon as Bennard:kidcool: has lost to him.:shit:

 

Nothing changes with you, huh.

 

LOL!! Is Ortho back? Protector of the downtrodden white man and victims of minorities everywhere.

::

 

I like watching Klitschko fights every time. I don't find them boring, but I can see why some people do. Hell, I liked watching Johnny Nelson fights.

But Winky's fights, partcularly those I mentioned, sucked.

 

Winky's fights are 1000 times more entertaining then any Wlad fight of the last 5 years or so.

 

:atu:

WLad-Peter?

Yeah, that was another no-action snoozer.

 

I just happen to think Hopkins gets away with boring, foul laden performances because he "Is the American Dream", is all. That and throwin Joe Cortez a few bucks every now and then.

 

Hopkins may be dirty and he may be boring to some, but at least he moves his hands in clinches and tries to get shots in there.............dirty or not.

Wlad just leans all over smaller guys and pushes their backs over the ropes, waiting for the referee to break them up.

Lennox Lewis did the same thing but was a lot more subtle and less clumsy about it.

 

I agree with that,.. he's a fucking cockroach,.. the best ending for Hopkins would either be

1) Being outright disqualified and observing the forum outrage as a result of it.
2) Being KO'd by a deliberate, cunning, crafty headbutt launched by a European fighter, and then once again, observing the outrage on the forums.

 

I never liked the guy. I actually cannot think of many more fighters I have disliked for as long or as intensely. The guy is just bad news.

 

:crafty: Wonderful, don't hesitate to give those Hops is a legendary top 5 all time great threads a good kick in the guts.

 

Ring Magazine idolise the bum, they think he is a "legend".:shit::shit::shit::shit:

 

U Mean, "Golden Boy" Magazine...


REED:hammert:

 

Yes, you have a point, but Nigel Collins was never any good, even in the Pre-Oscar days.

 

I can't believe people think he was great. Try to argue he is anything but an American Sven Ottke. I have challenged people for years and everyone ducks it. People think the numbers matter which has always angered me. Imagine if the Yankees refused to play the Red Sox but had n0 problem playing the Padres, The Royals and some semi professional teams for his entire career. The lone exception is Hopkins beating Tarver, so Hopkins is great because he beat Tarver. Even when he fought good fighters they almost always made their career at smaller weight TITO(not great and 147/154) at 160, Oscar (130,135, 140, 147, 154) at 160, Winky (154, 160) at 175, Pavlik(160) at 175. Fuck Hopkins and all who even tolerate him. He is an awful fraud and believe me if Hopkins was from Europe he would be reviled by the Americans on this board. He would be as popular as Ruiz.

 

All praise to chinus first and foremost, ray: but that nourishes the soul Free,.. your posts on this matter are like anti-psychotics,..I wont have to take a milligram of risperadol tonight.