The Welterweight Division is DEAD.

UNDER 147. Not at 147.

If both fighters agree to it, along with their camps, the sanctioning body, as well as the state athletic commission, then there is no argument.

In one post, you rag on the welterweights because their champions didn't start at welterweight. Then on the other, you say it's unfair for those champions who didn't even start at welterweight to have to sweat off two extra pounds.

 

Yeah good point. Catchweights fights that are not championship fights irritate me less, but I still find them irritating. There's enough weight divisions to accomodate 2 fighters.

 

HBO invented it with the tacit approval of fight-starved fans, who were prepared to see tradition trampled in exchange for marquee events.

Do I think Cotto would have beaten Pac if he weighed 147? No.

But he should have been allowed to weigh 147 if they wanted to take his belt.

 

Yeah. Why are they agreeing to it? Because their arm is twisted.

PS I understood that the WW limit was 147.

 

The "other" weight divisions besides the "original" eight were actually around about as long as the "original" ones.

 

Any luck with that anecdotal klitschko doping evidence?

 

What Confuses REED is that the Thread STARTER is BITCHING about a 6lb Weight Variance while SUPPORTING a Division that has NO SUCH Thing...So Catchweights R BAD, yet Being OUTWEIGHED by 30-40 + Lbs is COOL???....

Yet ANOTHER INCONSISTENCY, like the Steroids Argument...


REED:shit:

 

So? I'm merely repeating what I've heard plenty of times here, I'm not arguing it is really a problem. I believe though, that there's enough divisions to accomodate 2 men that want to fight. Fuck catchweights.

 

About as Much "Luck" as YOU'VE had in the Case of Sugar Shane Mosley...Shit, Klitschko has a Flat-Out ADMISSION ON RECORD...Yet U're Wanting & WILLING to GLOSS that Over???



REED::

 

Then FUCK Manny Pac, Because he's the LATEST Practioner...& FUCK JM Marquez for WANTING Floyd to Fight @ a Catchweight...



REED:hammert:

 

Hey I might look like I'm siding with Irish here, I'm not his "wingman" in this thread::, I just happen to agree that these catchweight championship fights suck. He's on his own for the other arguments.

 

I never made that argument Reed, so, please, dont try to muddy the waters.

If a fighter wants to be a welterweight Champ, he should accept that his opponent has the right to weigh in at 147.

Its just that motherfucking simple, Sean.

And, hey, besides, if 6lbs is soooo much less than 30 or 40, then where is the beef. Let your opponent weight the 147, and fight on.

 

Coolio......

 

I knew it. You thought this was an Anti-Floyd thread, didnt ya???

The name of the thread is "The WW div is Dead"...not..."Floyd is a Cunt"

Floyd is not alone in his BS. He has cohorts.

 

Any luck finding out if Holyfield cheated?

He never failed any tests and was caught at a time when he was not training for any fights.

 

I wouldn't as far as saying FUCK Manny and JMM, I like them both. Let's wait until Floyd does that again and don't worry, I'll be driving the Fuck Floyd Bandwagon!:hammert:


(Seriously I hate catchweights... It might sound irrationnal but that's how it is.)

 

Except that catchweight fights have accounted for some of our biggest fights of the decade.

 

He did not take a performance enhancing product. He did not take products offered up by a company in the business of producing illicit junk. He took something to heal an injury which was prescribed by a non-sporting General Practitioner who considered only medical aspects, and not regulatory aspects, of the substance in question. And he took it as an amateur. Nice try, but Shane was a somewhat different issue. And this affirmed cheat is now the man at 147, which is shameful.

 

:laughing::laughing:

Love ya, Brother BARON!!!


REED:cheer:

 

I know. I still hate that. When they don't involve belts It bothers me less. I love to see 2 guys fight at their absolute peak.

I can live with catchweights because they make fights happen, but it always leave a bad taste in my mouth. That's my opinion though, you can disagree and I'll sleep well anyway.:kidcool:

 

As I keep saying.....I think the were great fights. I just dont think they were welterweight fights.

Valcarel, the guy who runs the WBO, is siding with YOU. He wanted the title to be on the line as long as the "fight was within division limits"....thus missing the point.

What makes a fight a WW fight is the fact that the combatants are permitted to reach and not exceed 147 on the scales. It is not a WW fight just because they both weigh more than 140.

 

Klitschko admitted to taking steroids in his autobiography.

 

He admitted taking a proscribed substance. Once. For an injury.

As any juicer will tell you, its the cycling and stacking of steroids that does the trick.

Do you really mean to say that your argument is supported by a one-off taking of a proscribed element as part of a rehab programme?

Is that what you meant when you said you had proof that both of them were juiceheads?

 

Um no. That's your own personal perception of the rules. A welterweight fight is any that is over 140lbs and not exceeding 147lbs.

 

Only when the participants are allowed to reach 147.

If one or both of them are proscribed from reaching 147 on weigh-in then it is a catch-weight.

Simple.

 

So Klitsckho admitted to taking sterioids and doing absolutely nothing about it is fine with you, but Mosley unknowingly taking steriods and being the ONLY professional athlete to actually sue Conte for it is not good enough?

 

So that's your own interpretation of the rules. And I hate to be a dick, but your interpretation means a whole lot of nothing.

 

Mosley took the steroids unwittingly, I believe him because I want to believe him and because I think he deserves due process.

However, that does not eradicate the following fact: he took what he took during training, and it substantially improved his performances.

Evidence that it substantially improved him? His collapse in the Wright fight, where his father actually had to encourage him by saying "Forget about that stuff...you're still strong"

Not proof...just evidence.

Klitschko admits to taking something which he only later found out was a "steroid". And he paid a price for it by not going to the Olympics.

He never stood up and said "YEAH, I TOOK STEROIDS" in the sense that he openly juiced.

Like Mosley, he admits to the ingestion of a product which rendered him ineligible for competition, but that it was taken unwittingly and to aid rehab, not aid performance.

You need to be objective and keep it in context.

 

Dude, you can be a dick all you want, i never called you a dick, but being a welter means two things, both of which must take effect:

1. The right to weigh 147

2.The obligation to weigh no more.

For a fight to be at welterweight, it follows naturally that a fighter must be allowed to reach 147 at the scales.

If he is not permitted, then it is at catchweight.

Welterweights fighting at catchweight does not a strong WW division make.

 

Well, only two of these giants stand alone,.. all the rest of the giants with unfair sizes advantages are slaughtered by quicker, agile, 215 - 230lb fighters before they even make contender status it seems,.. Having too much weight can be a major disadvantage, unless of course, the giant happens to have the rare physical core and heart strength to throw that weight around like it was nothing. That's the Klitschko's ,..nobody else, I know you may be bitter about that,.. but you can't blame them for thier freakish genetics.