The Welterweight Division is DEAD.

If you follow boxing you should understand what I was saying. Not sure you do though. Sorry Mr. Grammar police.

 

You might be the first guy I meet that doesn't root for his favourite fighter during one of the biggest fights (if not the biggest) of his career. Strange. It suits your argument though, so it's not THAT strange.

 

If you think about it hard enough I am sure you can figure it out. Regardless, as I mentioned it's not just a Pacquiao thing. In fact it's the first time I remember him doing that.

 

With Welterweight no more, I wonder how many more divisions are going to see this blurring of the lines

Probably 135 and 130. Khan will start some shit where he starts sucking guys up from those divisions to fight on his terms in England...you will have Khan weighing 140 and his opponents weighing in at 137 or so.

Or rejects like Ortiz will start looking for some sort of happy medium at 135.....where they force guys into fights at weights that dont really suit them.

 

Daz why I reckon they oughta scrap 'weight' divisions all together, and categorise 'divisions' based on geometrical measurements. That'd flush out alot of rats, no more 'draining' , no more giants who have exceptional weight cutting and recovering abilities fighting in divisions they dont belong in,..

 

Pac weighed 150 fight night... nough said...

 

Manny Pac winning titles means jack shit to me when the guy he won the title from was not even allowed realise the full limits of the weight that division supposedly catered for. How can you win a title in a "division" when you have already chipped away at the parameters which define that division??

 

How can a WW fight at 160 pounds the night of the fight?:fightme:Have the weigh in the day of the fight and Cotto would be fighting at 160 or 154. I think it is right to make him weigh a couple pounds lighter

 

Yeah that's the trick,.. make them weigh in low, drain them as much as possible,..and if it effects thier performance which it very well should,.. "Pac woulda beat him anyway!!!!" ... well, actually,.. he was scared enough to enforce the weight demand,...and it was a bitch, bitch, bitch move,.. and the game is up now,..I even said,.. I would not blame Fraud in the slightest for turning the fight down based on 'catchweight' demands, if you want the distinction of beating an established fighter that we've all seen perform weighing in at the division limit, then you fight him where he's comfortable... we've all seen what happens to Cotto when he's weight drained before,.. and that's what I believe they were counting on, especially Roach ...the piece of shit.

 

It boggles the mind when a notorious troll creates a diabolicaly hideous thread.....that generates more activity in the forum than has been seen in months.

Are you all THAT bored?

 

Admittedly yes I was bored enough earlier today :bangh:

 

"The Welterweight Limit Of 147 Is Obsolete"- Discuss.

How is that trolling?

You have half a forum who cannot grasp that the limit of any non-heavyweight division serves as both a right for and an obligation on the participants.

If thats trolling, then troll the fuck on out of here.

 

Much as this pains me ::, I think Ortho has a point.

141-147 might well be the divisional 'bracket' of WW, but a fighter SHOULD have the right to fight at any weight he chooses when he is fighting for his own title at the weight. Just because Cotto chose to weigh 146 for a fight previously does NOT automatically mean that he should then be FORCED to weigh in at 145 in a later fight, especially when Cotto has well documented problems with making weight and when he is the defending champ.

There is a big difference between CHOOSING to fight below the official limit and being FORCED to weigh less than the official limit. The argument that Cotto had a choice is a delightful fancy, because the choice between accepting the terms and making a career high payday in a megafight or making a little bit of money for a mandatory challenge is no choice at all. There is no real boxer in the world who wouldn't choose the former: they are PROFESSIONALS after all.

For the record, it would have made no difference if Cotto had weighed 147 when he fought Manny, because IMHO the result would have clearly been the same. But the bottom line is that Roache and Manny must have at least thought it would give them an advantage, otherwise they wouldn't have bothered with it.

MTF

 

Et Tu, Feeblus?:laughing:

Thats the point they have all been refusing to heed: Welterweight means the right to weigh 147 on the scales.

It probably wouldnt have made too much difference to Cotto, but then the question must be why was Pac so insistent upon it, and can the fight be really called a "Welter Title Fight" when the holder of the title is being forced to abdicate the rights his divisional status has bestowed upon him.

I really dont think that membership of the Law Society should be a pre-requisite to thinking along these lines:crafty:

 

Agreed. The contractually agreed limit was 145 pounds not 147. And how is it that he can fight Oscar at 147, but not Cotto? What a joke. Manny/Roach apparently like to weaken opponents by forcing them into weights they perceive as unhealthy for them. Oscar 147, Cotto 145, and Morales 130 for the third fight. If he feels the opponent is shitty enough like Hatton or Diaz he doesn´t need these stupid catchweight fights. Apparently 17 weight classes aren´t enough for Manny.

 

The momentum groweth..........:crafty::crafty:

So, there is now some consensus about the blurring of the divisions.

Roach and Manny Pac are a great team, Pac is a helluva fighter and Roach is a stand up guy, even when he can't stand, but there is something underhand about their tactics and it demeans 147.

 

Cotto has never had "documented" issues with making 147, that was 140 he killed himself to make. The fact is Pacquiao was the champ at 140 while Cotto had a title at Welterweight. Pac being the smaller guy got them to agree with the weight being 145. Considering when Pac beat Hatton at Jr. WW and he weighed 138 I don't see that as a big deal.

 

It isn't a big deal.

But it becomes a big deal when Pac tries to claim he is the welterweight King.

Which he fucking isn't.

He is the king of beating people up at weights they probably weren't as strong at.

Mayweather has a monopoly on the other end of the scale- he weighs in the fuck heavy as he likes, and enjoys a fat ass weight advantage.

And in the middle you have the two lads, Wrappy and Winstrol, fighting it out for the WBA title.

Welcome to 144/145/146/147/WrappyWinstrolLand

 

Figure out which side you want to argue. Mayweather should be allowed to weigh 147 or he shouldn't be? Anyways I am not wasting my time with this retarded argument anymore. The fact is 145 is a WW,

 

Ah, so who is the REAL WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION!!! I knew it was only a matter of time before someone asked the same question.......http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34838

 

and in two threads I answer,.. the needle decides what's what. :crafty:

 

I have a question for you. Which substance did the older Clit use? Was it steroids to heal an injury or was it a diuretic to help him lose weight? You appear to be talking out of both sides of your mouth to protect your hero. By the way if Holyfield was a known juicer but has never tested positive just like Shane in the DLH fight. Why can't we assume especially with all of Clits previous injuries that he may be on the juice. I'll Holla 5000

 

If boxing ''journalists'' would stop acting like defensive Pacquiao groupies, and begin asking other fighters, like, other world champions what they think of the new implementation of advanced random drug testing into boxing,.. we'd be able to gauge, depending on thier answers, who's a suspect, and who isn't, and even if these fighters tell fibs just to save face on the spot, they're contributing to thier own doom by forming a 'united' opinion that helps gain the extra pressure and momentum required to publically force the commissions to take it into consideration.

I'd be very interested to hear what either Klitschko thinks of new and better drug tests,.. but I dont have access to ask them,.. the people who do are too heavily invested in groupie-forum properghanda on thier main pages, about "Why now?" .. or "Manny doesn't have to if he doesn't want to!" ..:shit:

 

Frans Botha had lots of fat and was an average pugilist.

He failed a steroids test after a fight he won.

Fernando Vargas had no fat and was an above-average pugilist.

He failed a test after a fight he lost.

Only one of these fighters took steroids as part of a performance-enhancing regime. The non-heavyweight.