James Toney wants to fight in the UFC

Exactly. The Sylvia fight isn't really the best example. What it is, is a 'worst case scenario' for an MMA fighter against a boxer. Sylvia came in ridiculously fat, seemingly disinterested, and irresponsibly overconfident.

Mercer knew from his Kimbo fight that his only chance would be to throw bombs as soon as he could and hope that one landed. If for some reason in that fight Mercer didn't connect, chances are more than good Mercer would've found himself submitted the same way he was against Kimbo. Mercer had one shot, he took it, and worked for him. Seeing that, it's doubtful any MMA fighter worth their salt would just sit there and let a boxer take a shot at them like Mercer did. Especially someone like Couture. Like I said, Liddell may need a little convincing, but I think his head would overule his ego and he'd shoot right away.

Honestly, I could see a Toney fight with any of those guys being the exact opposite of the Mercer\Sylvia fight. I wouldn't be surprised if Toney came in out of shape and overconfident, thinking there's no way he could lose. And like Sylvia, Toney would learn a humiliating lesson.

TFK

 

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Basically if Sherk nutted up and decided to stand with Floyd, you'd see what an average puncher like Floyd would do in MMA.

here it is

 

James is shot to hell.

That said i would give him a much better chance against Chuck than Randy Couture.

Liddell would be stupid enough to try to stand with Toney. The gross mistakes he makes would probably see him on the canvas lights out yet again.

Randy would put fat James on his back though.

 

Ok. That I stand by. If Sherk...or whoever, gets Mayweather in a clinch and starts throwing knees, Mayweather is done. Like I said, any decent MMA fighter, especially after the Sylvia debacle, isn't gonna stand there and trade punches with a boxer. They'd be a fool to. They'd instead go for a takedown, or try coming in with kicks and knees.


TFK

 

the sports should be kept separate....these threads are becoming increasingly tedious. MMA guy trades punches he gets knocked out. He goes for a take down he wins. Everyone knows this, why are we debating it over page after page?

 

Because Sadly, there's TROLLING on BOTH Sides of the Fence...



REED:shit:

 

And that's exactly why I'm glad you find my posts laughable

 

of course he's not serious :notallthere:


he has no movement in his legs at all these days...what's Toney going to do against leg kicks


i think he's fighting Antonio Tarver soon anyway...that will give him more cash than 5 fights in the MMA

 

Speaking of washed up boxers making their MMA debut, it looks like Ricardo Mayorga will make his Shine Fights debut against former UFC fighter Din Thomas.

Thomas is by no means an elite MMA fighter, going 2-2 in his last 4, 24-8 overall, but he has been fighting for over 10 years and has 14 wins by submission.

TFK

 

washed up?

Toney has a belt...and is easily a top 10 heavyweight

 

Thomas by sub within 90 seconds. Im not gonna lie though, I love crazy ass Mayorga I hope he ices the guy. His innate aggression probably gives him a better shot than most

found this passage from an article on the fight

'Much as was the case in the Mercer/Sylvia fight, many fans will overvalue the meaning that the fight has in the relatively pointless boxing v. MMA debate. It holds interest in seeing how a pure boxer's skills will translate into a fight under MMA rules but in the end will prove little to change anyone's mind on the relative merits of either sport. Should Thomas take down the wild swinging Mayorga and submit him it will simply prove that which we learned in early UFCs, and if Mayorga manages to channel Ray Mercer and knocks Din out it will simply prove that boxers have very powerful punches and represent a legitimate threat on the feet.

No matter the outcome these truths exist now, as they did before the Mercer/Sylvia fight, as they will after the Mayorga/Thomas fight.

exactamundo

 

Toney should fight Kimbo:cheer:

 

Damn. I liked Din Thomas. I hope he wins here but it's disappointing that he's in gimmick fights. Mayorga is probably the least skilled boxer that will try to transition to MMA. He makes Chuck Liddell look like Sugar Ray Leonard.

 

Yup, that's pretty much it.

I like Mayorga too. He made me a buttload of cash when he KO'd Forrest. I was in Vegas with friends for the Superbowl, and we watched the fight at the Stardust Book (man, I miss that place). None of my friends had ever heard of Mayorga at that point, and only one followed my advice and put the house on him.

When he saw Mayorga come to the ring and heard the stories of him smoking and drinking, and saw that he was facing an undefeated champion, he wanted to kill me. Suffice to say, minutes later he was buying me drinks all night.

TFK

 

props to mayorga, he is definitely not fighting some no name can. Din Thomas will make very quick work of Mayorga. like said previously, Thomas by sub under 90 seconds.

 

Guys, Toney is on a Lidell level of shotness. He's a significantly tougher man than Chuck so he hasn't been suffering the jaw dropping KO losses, but Toney is DONE.

 

Toney is not top 10.

 

no doubt, but so are Couture and Liddell

 

So Toney has given up on boxing, since none of the champions paid any attention to his rants. Now he wants to try MMA. Good luck with that UFC. Just don´t let him take a piss after the fight. ::

 

I'd like to see Toney get in there with a world class level kick-boxer instead, I'd love to see him bend into a shin to the skull while trying to do that shoulder-roll shit,.. Toney,.. will soon find out that, boxing was actually his protection blanket. Nothing like MMA to iron out all the illegal impliments he depended on in boxing.

 

Yep.

Raw power is only one part of what makes a hard punching boxer such a formidable puncher.

The accuracy, speed and crispness is on another level to MMA fighters.

MMA fighters wouldn't know what hit them if they got smacked by a world class boxer with power.

 

By the way :::::: at the idea of Floyd getting hit by a "barrage of punches" from Sherk.

Did you happent to see Sherk against BJ Penn? Bj shut him down with his incredibly basic boxing. Sherk was clueless.

Sherk probably wouldn't land 1 punch against Floyd.

 

but of course, he'd probably take Floyd down and submit him before floyd landed one significant punch on him either. hence the pointlessness of these discussions.

 

I don't expect Toney would put the time in to make it a managable transition.

 

REED, I've accepted the fact that you aren't too bright and you like to argue. So be it. You also get all rednecked when people call you out on being wrong. So be it, as well. It doesn't change the fact that you aren't too bright and you are often wrong.

Toney probably wasn't an above-average puncher ever as a boxer, but he may have been at 160. He sure as fuck wasn't above-average as a heavyweight. Just because he is far better than someone like Danny Williams, it doesn't mean he hits harder.

I look at KO ratio because it is the single best indicator of punching power, especially when you have seen the guy fight, which I have. Other heavies are able to get rid of comparable opponents via KO, whereas Toney is not. That is punching power. And Toney lacks it. There is no reason to believe that he will suddenly become a big puncher with smaller gloves. I already conceded that if he is able to ko guys in mma, it will be primarily because of the smaller gloves and accuracy.

You've gone off and created a straw man about smaller gloves. It reflects back on you not being too bright.

I doubt Toney trains that hard these days. I doubt he's trained hard for a long time. MMA guys train constantly. Will that make them better than Toney? Of course not. But if they are naturally bigger punchers, I'm guessing they train enough to show it. And I'm also guessing that a lot of them are naturally bigger punchers than Toney. Training does equate to punching power once you have the technique down. Toney has the technique down and his power is established--it ain't much.

As far as the analogy with college baseball players...again this goes to you not being so bright. You think many college baseball players who are power hitters can't hit a ball farther than a slap hitter in the pros? Come on. Now equate Toney to the slap hitter in the pros...which he is...and it all comes together, right? I hope, anyway.

 

I know Chuck's background. He's a kickboxer and wrestler. Chuck stands with everyone though, out of Chuck's last 5 or so fights, he's only taken one guy down and it was Wandy.

 

no doubt. Chuck made his money standing up and almost developed the style that many mimic today. Awesome takedown defense, and kickbox their ears in. But I just have to believe that Chuck is smart enough to know that Toney's standup is leagues above his and would take the shit to the ground. Just as Kimbo did with Mercer.

 

I definitely agree there are easy ways Chuck could beat Toney, I'm just not assuming he's that smart. I think he'll try to stand first to test the waters.

 

the sad part of it is I can see you being right:doh:

 

I could see you being right too, just depends on how stupid Chuck is.