Pac refusing drug tests...fight in jeopardy

Sorry Reed, but there is a guy over on Blackathlete who is doing it too...I hate when people get a hold of a word and beat the mother to death......

Lets not impute guilt via flowery language.

Pac has declined a test. A test that Cotto, Hatton, the NYSAC, the NVSAC, etc all felt it was unecessary for him to take.

Now all of a sudden it is necessary and not only that, but "egregious" for him not to do so.

 

The RESULTS of this Test R Now BIGGER than the Fight Itself...Since Freddie Roach ISN'T a Dumb Man, Pac WILL End Up Taking the Testing, PASSING it & Going Thru w/the Fight...His LEGACY Depends Upon It...

From There, as Loooooooooong as Pac's Performance Doesn't DRAMATICALLY Fall Off from what we've Seen in his Previous 2 Bouts, then this will ALL Blow Over....NO SHAME in a 12 Round Loss to Floyd, Cause MOST R Expecting that Anyways....The WORST Thing Pac Could Do is DECLINE Pre-Fight Testing to the Point that the Fight is NIXED Altogether...If he Does that, his Legacy & ALL the GoodWill he's Built in the Phillipines & America is TOAST...

But like REED Said, Freddie Roach is a SMART Man...Bob Arum is even SMARTER...So There's NOfuckingWAY Pac WON'T Take a Pre-Fight Test & There's NOfuckingWAY This Fight WON'T Happen...That would B DISASTROUS, Not only for Manny Pac, but for the Sport of Boxing as a Whole...



REED:hammert:

 

So whats the beef? If he takes it, passes it.......there is no more problem?

Like I said, they both take it, they both pass it, and boxing wallows balls-deep in its own integrity and probity, everyone's a winner......

...there is no need for him to tail off, sooooo dramtically, is there? He can always "walk into" one...and stay there, or get cut....and have fumbling-Roach pull it open a bit.

I suggested that there was a lot for Freddie Roach in this and people thought I was mad.

 

U COULD have Merely Pointed Out that ELLERBE &/or FLOYD were MISusing a Word, but NOoooooooooooooooooooooo, U had to Point Out a RACE Doing it...Just COULDN'T Resist, Could U???....Like REED Said, DON'T START, Motherfucker...



REED:shit:

 

Its twice I saw it in 2 days. From the same people. Simple point. Finished.

 

In March no less!

Viva Bigdawg.:hammert:

 

Its like this. ..if the fight does not take place, then everyone loses.

If the fight does take place, the only way anyone loses is if Manny Pac tails off badly.

Thats not going to be obvious for a few rounds, as Floyd will fight cautious anyways

So if Manny wins a few rounds, then after 5 rounds {not to mention some slick HBO 24/7 production that makes no mention of Steroids}...this whole thing should be forgotten.

 

At least if they fight we can do a mythical matchup of Manny on roids versus Floyd based on the results.

 

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Yeah thats great.

I think this thing could run and run and run....next thing you know, every fighter is asking for the tests.

Suppose this spills over into Super6???

And you have guys refusing to make the fights?

If only Manny Pacquaio sweated steroids like Wlad, we would be able to avoid all this testing:crafty::crafty:

 

The odds have not moved on this fight I am calling prefight hype bs. If this was true the odds would change dramatically.

 

Interesting...but I doubt it.

So what is Manny's next move? Does he take a leak on MLK BLV?

Or does he allow himself to be distracted by this {pretending to be distracted} and then relent at the last moment? In otherwords, does he go along with this?

Why would Pacquaio and co go along with it? The guy is conservative as hell.

He also has his eye on a political future.

HBO are well able to make fast, slick, marketing productions without any such a line. Hell, they did it for the Marquez-Mayweather fight, and that was a crock of shit that did 1m sells.

Nah....I think someone somewhere is not happy and is making serious demands for clarification, via the test.

 

You guys don't think a featherweight, not just beating, but physically destroying welterweights isn't on performance enhancing
drugs?

In 2009?

Seriously? ::

 

But Steve Dave, if it was that simple, wouldn't other people be doing it too?

If you just had to take some drugs to become a superhuman boxer, there would be more Pacquiao's in boxing, think about it.

 

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Do you think a Super-Feather, not just beating, but destroying Ricky Hatton is not on drugs, in 2007, seriously?

Come on. We can play that all night.

 

Manny just needs to buy a piss bag get tested clean then watch Mayweather shit himself when he realizes his little game of chicken is about to backfire on him.

Sounds like Pretty Boy is scared shitless of Pinoy Boy.

 

I doubt it....Floyd can probably stomach losing, he just cannot stomach anyone else bending the rules quite as much {if not more than} he does. He is also backed up by a quartet of influential figures who all have his ear to one degree or another {Roger, his father, HBO and Ellerbe}

I think that would murder Floyd. It would murder Floyd to lose and know that someone pulled a fast one on him. Or 800 fast ones, in Mannys case.

 

Well obviously you need a ton of natural talent and skill to compete in any sport at the highest level, I'm not suggesting otherwise. I think Pacquiao is an amazing fighter and one of tue greatest ever.

But I refuse to ignore what the last decade in sport has taught me, especially when an athlete achives something that doesn't come with a rational explanation. I don't even care about juicing anymore

 

This isn't about tearing down Pacquiao to defend Floyd for me.

 

Fair enough. That was my only point though really, is you have to be utterly exceptional regardless. Otherwise if it was mainly a matter of drugs, people would be doing exactly what Pacquiao is doing, moving up weight divisions and fucking people up that are 3 or 4 divisions above your natural weight.

PS - what is it specifically in the last decade that has made you think like that?

 

Agreed. And hey, it's not like I have any evidence. I just think it's likely.

 

Darkness Falls Across The Land
One Billion Pinoys Close At Hand
Mayweathers Search For Random Piss
To Terrorise Their Nemesis

And Whosoever Shall Be Found
Without The Requisite Red Cell Count
Shall Stand And Face The Media Hell
And Rot Inside Their Catchweight Shell


The Foulest Stench Is In The Air
The Funk Of The Senior May-Weath-Er
And Little Dwarves From Midget Class
Are Closing In To Kick Floyds Ass

And Though Floyd Fights To ShoulderTwist
His Body Starts To Ache And Cry
For No Mere Mayweather Can Resist...
..........The Steroids And The Pinoy

Mwahaahahahahahahamaahahahahaha

 

Sorry, MWS, I missed your PS.

Mostly baseball. I learned that it's easy to overlook the posibility of doping when something historic is happening. I guess I'm forever skeptical now.

 

Well it´s because Mayweather is the only fighter, who CAN make these demands to Pacquiao. And people say Mayweather can´t punch, but he just put Manny´s whole career on the floor and whether Manny can rise before the count of 10 might depend on a guy with Parkinson dialing a doctor to find out how good the stuff they are buying is. ::

Andre Ward is probably sweating in Oakland, about Floyd giving people ideas. ::

 

Et tu, Ward?

 

This is interesting. I wanna hear something from Manny's side before passing judgement. We don't know the conditions. Random testing depends on the whereabouts of the athlete, i'm not sure how the logistics work out if Manny's training is based in the Phillipines.

I'm sure we'll hear something from Manny's camp soon, otherwise doubts and speculation will grow and grow.

 

Well I think Manny is innocent personally. I read it as the Pacquaio camp refusing to bow to negotiating demands that have absolutely no basis in fact, just rumours spread by Floyd Sr, and a couple of other fighters.

Its a smart negotiating tactic by the Mayweather camp. Manny is basically backed into the corner. Either take the testing or refuse and be considered a cheat (as evidenced by this very thread).

Its probably a response from the Mayweather camp from Manny's demands that Floyd pay 10mill for each pound he's overweight from the welterweight limit. The Mayweather/Manny camps are both playing hardball. The ironic thing is that its not over money like we all thought it would be.

 

good post. And like money, these issues can be negotiated too. We might end up with the fighters to pay $2 million for every lb over, and agreeing to take a test mid-training camp or something.

 

it's almost a scientific fact. asian men dont grow past the age of 20.

how many multiple weight asian champs are there? at best, i've only seen guys who won titles between three different divisions, but nothing beyond that.

haha. in all seriousness, i'm hoping that pac's not on anything and the fight comes through.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/2009-12-22-mayweather-pacquiao_N.htm

The biggest fight of 2010 — Manny Pacquiao vs. Floyd Mayweather — could be off.
Early Tuesday evening, Golden Boy Promotions, which represented Mayweather in negotiations, distributed a press release that said the March 13 bout was in "jeopardy."
Reached late Tuesday night, Bob Arum of Top Rank, which promotes the Filipino, took it a step further.
"The plug is pulled. The fight is off as far as we're concerned," he said, adding that he expects Pacquiao to fight on that date and is seeking a new opponent.
Mayweather (40-0, 25 KOs) has demanded drug testing as required by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency which includes random blood and urine sampling. Pacquiao (50-3-2 38 KOs), however, will not agree to have his blood taken within 30 days of the bout. He did agree to have his blood taken before the press conference to kick off the promotion and after the bout.
"The press release is absurd," said Arum, Mayweather's former promoter. "Mayweather proves that he's a coward and he's looking for a way out of the fight. The Nevada commission has been doing drug testing for the last 40 years. To appease Mayweather, we agreed they could do urine analysis anytime they wanted. But Manny doesn't want them to draw his blood when he's in training because it weakens him."

"All they're doing is harassing Pacquiao. I'm not going to allow it to happen," Arum said. "We're willing to do urine analysis at random even though we don't have to do it under Nevada rules. … I know deep down Mayweather doesn't want the fight. He can take a walk."