Arum says Pacquiao agrees to Olympic style drug test...

So Floyd has the hacks onboard now....they are working overtime to get a particular perception out....so be it. Pac should forget about him. Let Floyd twist in the wind.

 

I was thinking how much would I have to earn as a cyclist to go through shit like that. Another cyclist, who retired later, when he was busted, said that at one point in his career, they mixed up the own blood transfusion and gave him the blood of another cyclist, luckily for him the other cyclist had the same blood type or he´d have been fuckin dead. Didn´t stop him from cycling or cheating. These guys really put their lifes on the line, and go through incredible crap. In a way they really earn their millions, not through cycling up a hill, but through trying to stay ahead of the world doping agency. ::

 

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Thats crazy man. I think all title fights should have to go through random testing. I mean think about it 3 alleged number 1 p4p'ers in the last 10 years are marred by this: Pac, Shane, and Roy. Imagine how devastating a prime Oscar would've been on HGH?::

 

I'm not saying I think Manny is definitely not juicing, I'm just saying it's not like it's documented in any way, or that he's actually been caught for it. It's just a handful of people voicing their suspicions, right or wrong.

By the way, if what people like Winner by choke say is true, that almost all top athletes juice, why would it come as a surprise or even be a talking point to people like Paulie and Cintron etc? Surely they juice too?

And what about Floyd? Is he one of the few top athletes that DON'T juice?

Serious question.

 

I gotta admit, that's funny ::

 

El - that is fucking insane. A grain of rice up the todger? And that cheats a drug test? :::: How bizarre.

You wonder how people actually find these methods. Did one particular cyclist just try everything imaginable while performing the tests himself, before stumbling upon the magic grain of rice?

Regarding HGH, do any of you guys know anything about it? It doesn't sound like something that would really help performance.

Does it only help fighters moving up in weight? What would happen if a fighter took it, intending to stay the same weight?

 

winner by choke is a 14 year old kid who doesn't know his ass from his head. Not all boxers juice but Pac does and its pretty obvious...and of course Floyd doesn't use PED's or he wouldn't be calling for Olympic style testing and consistently calling Mosely a steroid user. All you have to do is analyze the situation and use common sense and objectivity and it'll clear as day; Pac is on something and he's running scared.

 

Thats about my take on it.

There is due process, and it is quite ironic that the people who complain about never getting any are suddenly discarding it here.

I dont think Floyd is doping. He doesnt fight like a guy who is doping. He doesnt have activity rates in or out of the ring that suggest substance abuse.

But there are people here who, without even considering that, would swear blind that Floyd is one of the 5% that don't dope......I believe he is entitled to that doubt, but for totally different reasons, one of which is a man is guilty until it is proven otherwise.

 

it is called human GROWTH hormone so I wouldn't take it if I had to make weight

 

Or....Floyd does use PED but will be discarding them for the Pac fight as long as Pac does likewise.

We can do this shit all night fella, once one gets into the realm of making shit up, anything is possible.

 

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The difference is one theory (mine) uses common sense, the other theory (yours) is beyond ridiculous.

 

Well that's what I wondered.

So it's not really a steroid or performance enhancer at all, it's basically a drug that actually allows you to grow as an adult?

Can it/does it affect height?

 

Don't get any ideas you midget

 

I don't know anything about steroids, so I don't know what a roided up fighter should look like. All I know is the period where Mosley was allegedly juicing, he looked shit.

Far from "enhanced" performance, he looked slow and lacked fluidity.

 

Like Vargas vs Oscar. Musclebound, tight....and faded down the stretch.

 

Your theory uses common sense?

Okay. Manny is doping, and common sense suggests this is so because.______________________________________________________________
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__________________________________ in a thousand words or less. Cheers.

 

Exactly, musclebound and tight. That's what Mosley looked like, and his stamina didn't seem good either.

Was Vargas meant to be on roids against Oscar?

 

Why is it that 99% of the time on this board you sound off all cocksure and confident and now you sound like some little girl lost in the woods? Use your head it clear as day whats going on. Enough with the little wide eyed ignoramus routine bro.

 

Manny is not big enough to do steroids, and I know as I have hung out with him, and he is not a big man.

A well conditioned man and a killer, yes, but not a big man.

I work my second gig with guys that do 'roids, and the difference is night and day.

 

another idiot ::

 

Failed a test and served a suspension for it too. He had a protracted argument then with one of his nutrition/strength guys which ended up in open letters on fightnews. The guy he fired was an NFL dude. Figures.

 

Barristan....you have not provided one scintilla of proof, of evidence, of testimony...nothing.

You keep saying he is "doping"...but you have not even tried to throw one ray of light on what he is doping for, is it strength, power, recovery, what.

Calling people "idiots" and saying they lack "common sense" is Godwins argument all over again.

Back it up.

 

Because I'm well versed on most things boxing related, hence the cocksured-ness.

But despite a decent knowledge of drugs, I genuinely know nothing about steroids, so I'm asking serious questions, to be educated by people that know more about them than me.

Simple.

And nah it's not clear as day what's going on. You'd have to be an idiot to think it's not at least suspicious, given the reluctance to take the tests, plus his insanely good performances recently, but innocent until proven guilty.

Pacquiao has passed every drug test he's had, and others have failed those same tests.

You're acting like it's actually been proven that Pacman is on roids.

From the info I've gathered, it seems far more likely to be HGH than steroids if he is using anything though. He doesn't look or fight like he's on steroids.

 

People use the word "steroid" in a catch-all sense, it basically refers to prohibited stuff.

 

Fuck you, you little prick.

You don't know jack shit about boxing, just type.

You don't even know Manny, never even met him, just typing on your "Mommy's computer."

 

Thats what does it for me. Reed wants to strip Manny of his accomplishments at 140-147 for not taking a test, but he shys away from answering questions about Mosley, who was actually implicated and admitted taking the stuff {unknowingly}

It is such an unfathomable double standard.

 

One thing I do know is a boxing gym I used to go to was below a body building gym. I walked through the gym full of pumped up body building dickheads to go to the boxing gym.

They looked like you'd imagine a steroid user to look. Inflated looking muscles, weird veins, mishapen heads/faces :: And complete twats.

Maybe they just had bad steroids though? Cheap ones? ::

 

Would you like for me to conjure up some receipts, or a video of Pac copping? or maybe produce a sample of the cheaters piss.

There are certain things that are apparent which cannot be necessarily proven. For example your stupidity. Easy to see hard to prove.