Who would fight Pac now?

Roy transcended as much weight as Pacquiao, % wise, when he moved up to heavyweight and beat Ruiz. Why weren't people on his case, demanding he took Olympic style testing? Especially given that he (sort of) failed a drug test too?

Even Floyd is a very accomplished multi divisioner. He also looks REMARKABLY natural at 147, not blown up like Duran looked at 154 for example.

But Pacman must be on roids why, because he looked that little bit more spectacular than Floyd and Roy?

Like I said, I am open to the possibility that he IS using HGH or something, but I don't think you can accuse a man based on nothing more than a hunch, and expect him to endure the most extreme drug testing in boxing history, based on nothing more than a hunch.

 

Roy Jones Jr lost all credibility with you then? Hypocrite.

 

"The Notion Was Already Out There":atu:

More precatory language...the attempt to retrospectively create this impending, hanging aura of doubt and suspicion, when in fact none ever existed. You show me one major article in the run up to any of Pacs last few fights where a series of established members of the "Boxing Fraternity" sit down to discuss this impending matter of Pacs drug abuse.


Why didnt Mayweather Sr raise these issues when Hatton was due to fight Pac? After all, the "Notion" was already "out there". Because the fight would not have happened and Sr. would have lost $400,000. That's why.

Money talks. GB/DLH stands to lose a lot of money if the fight does not happen. And he has a personal axe to grind with the guy who beat him up and retired him. He is an unreliable character witness.

 

No, he did not, and neither did Mosley, Evan Fields, Richard Hall, Pryor Conviction, or any of them.

Like I said.....Home Boys Only.

 

Yeah....."Boxing Fraternity".......bunch of veritable Frat Boys...who stand to lose money and are upset over it. Follow the money. See who is losing out here, and see if that don't influence what they have to say.

See who has an axe to grind here.....Manny beat the shit out of Oscar, and made him quit on his stool, like Klitschko and Golota and those other bums.

No Oysters here...Oooh...Roids.

If Vargas and Mosley hurt him as much as Pac did, then why didn't he fold vs them?

 

It doesn't really matter If Pacquiao is on something or not...from now on his entire resume will be under suspicion. Unless he agrees to the terms..

It's soooo simple...biggest fight of both fighter career, most money either guy will make in their career, one of the most important/biggest fight in the history of boxing, their LEGACIES on the line...

and PACQUIAO won't make it happen because of a lil blood??? He has a few tattoos how can he be afraid of needles?

 

He isnt afraid of needles, and its got fuck all to do with Jesus either. Those excuses are 'Bamas and his alone.

 

Roy Actually TOOK a Test though, Mex...Yes he FAILED the 1st, but he PASSED the RE-Test Immediately After...& his Opponent FAILED the 1st Test then PASSED the RE-Test Immediately After...

Even YOU have to Admit that the Test ITSELF Comes Out Looking FISHIER than Either Roy Jones OR Richard Hall Did...Nonetheless, MANY Fans (INCLUDING REED) have Wondered if Roy was INDEED Juicing, Considering the Nature of his DRAMATIC Fall from Grace...OVERNIGHT, Roy was All but DONE...



REED:hammert:

 

FINALLY :kidcool:

 

Have U Actually FOUND that Article that LINKS Roy Jones to BALCO Yet???...U Know, the 1 U SWORE was Out There about a YEAR Ago???...

U're Soooo FULL of SHIT, REED Can Smell it Thru his Monitor...



REED:hammert:

 

If U'd Actually Spend LESS Time FOLLOWING REED from Thread to Thread, & MORE Time INVESTIGATING, U'd have Found PLENTY of Threads & Posts where REED Said that....



REED:shit:

 

So he want to leave 30-50 mil on the table because of what.....? Pride? :shit::notallthere:

 

You and I are active in around 3 threads and it was me who started the original thread about Floyd Sr. and the suspicions..if I am not wrong, thats the first thread on this site which broached the issue directly. 2 days later, the mierda hits the fan....and here were are.

 

Your ONLY Recourse when Debating REED is Thinly Veiled Racial or Diversionary BULLSHIT...That's Proof of Purchase, Receipt & a Cozy Residence in REED's Pocket Because it's Obvious he OWNS You....



REED:kidcool:

 

First off, he isn't leaving anything just yet...he can be back in the ring, earning, as soon as he wants. He could fight anyone as he is due a gimme...it would be Floyd who would have to step up. So, its not like Manny is done, just yet.

And no, I dont believe pride alone is holding him back, there are other factors such as his being clean and not wanting to cede a psychological edge to Mayweather so early in the build-up.

Consider Arums role. If They can make Mayweather drop the Olimp testing thing, what else can they get him to drop.

A lot at stake here, and Pac&Co need to play it carefully and cede nothing just yet. Thats management. If they immediately say "Ok, we'll do the testing", Mayweather assumes his usual, Cock'O'The'Walk routine, big Mr Concessions. Pac wont give the mother an inch, and Oscar is getting all upset over it.

 

Home Boys Only was an expression James Toney used to describe the suits at HBO...so,put that in your pipe and smoke it. Now man the fuck up and keep arguing.

My recourse is to force you to cede that if Manny is guilty by way of innuendo then the reputations of Mosley and Holyfield must also lay in tatters.

You insist on skirting that issue.

 

REED ISN'T Skirting Shit...REED Couldn't Care Less about Mosley OR Holyfield....U CAN'T Reconcile WHY Manny WOULDN'T Take the Test to Make All this Go Away, so INSTEAD U Resort to DIVERSIONARY BULLSHIT...

For the Last 3 Fucking Days, U've Responded w/"What about Holyfield, What about Shane", in a PACQUIAO-MAYWEATHER Thread...U Want the Reputations of Mosley & Holy to Lay in "Tatters"???...REED is MORE than Fine w/that...Lets BURY their Reputations Next To Those of Our Reigning Heavyweight Champions while we're @ It, Aight???...



REED:hammert:

 

IN the mind of public opinion Pacquiao is GUILTY unless he agrees to the TEST...u have no problem fighting the best fighters around UNTIL one of them ask you take have a few extra test...then all of sudden you don't want to fight???....yeah.

psychological edge?? Pacquiao could have turn it on Mayweather by immediately accepting the terms......

 

Yes, let us bury it all. Although you can only bury Vitalis ammy creds, as thats where he was when he failed his test....:crafty:

This, after all, is your own territory....you never mentioned that Pacs legacy at 122-130 was in tatters, you specifically mentioned 140-147.

Which, in itself, is odd. Why is his entire legacy not in dispute? Why only 140-147? I get the feeling you want to erode that part of his legacy that clashes most with Floyds....:crafty:

Manny Pac is innocent until proven guilty. How anybody could dispute that is beyond me.

Since when did fight fans act on the whim of money men in LA? Since they developed an agenda, is when.

 

Or he could have looked bad......little roll-over Pinoy.......and he probably was not expecting to be sprung this particular little extra-ordinary snare, after all, Cotto didnt, Hatton didnt...Oscar didnt...:crafty:

 

I have a question for you. They already agreed to a 50/50 split and the weight. I'm pretty sure they agreed on the gloves and possibly the ring size. But what else would PBF want that he hasn't already asked for. And when has he asked for unbelievable concessions? Which fights? I'll Holla 5000

 

Well, obviously he wanted some Olympic sized drug programme too.

The rest is off-topic....:crafty:..but...just to prevent discord....Floyd always likes to get his opponents at the weight that suits Floyd, thats just one example. Poor JMM...agreed to 145, and then got stuck with 147...for instance...

 

Nah...

Since U Want the HEADS of "Evan Fields" & Sugared Shane THAT Much, let's Go the WHOLE 9 Yards...Vitali was BUSTED Under Olympic Styled Testing, so there's NO Reason to Think he's NOT Taking Advantage of the LESS Stringent Professional Testing Measures....N Fact, Klitschko is the Friggin POSTER CHILD for WHY Olympic Styled Testing SHOULD have Been Implemented Loooooooooooong Ago...

Vitali Klitschko: STEROID User Today; Heavyweight Champion of the World Tomorrow...How's his "Little" Brother Doing???...The 1 that Always Copied EVERYTHING Big Brother Did???...



REED:hammert:

 

I agree. In fact I've never thought Roy was roiding. Roy looked like a naturally incredible athlete to me, not a roid monkey. And certainly that one highly suspect test where both he and Hall didn't convince me that Roy was juicing.

Because I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, as I am doing with Pacquiao.

I guess my point was simply that what Pacman is doing isn't that different to what Duran did, or Armstrong, or EVEN Floyd himself, or Roy.

But Pacman is a prime roid suspect? It just doesn't make sense. I mean seriously, why? Because he's just that bit more brutal than the likes of Floyd and Roy? Because he has a good chin?

Like I said, Floyd got clipped with the odd clean left hook by Oscar too and they had no effect. Pretty impressive for a 130 pounder. Same with Roy against Ruiz.

Pacman's last 3 performances have been incredible, and yes, exceeded all expectations, but it's not enough for me to say, oh yeah this guy has to be on roids.

All these accusations are based on nothing more than hunches.

As you know, my initial reaction was, shit, Pacman must be on the roids, otherwise he would take the test. But the more I thought about it, the more I thought it was just an absurd request for a guy that's never failed a drug test, and I can fully understand why Pacman wouldn't want to comply with it, even if he is 100% roid free.

He is in a catch 22 though. If he refuses, it raises suspicion, if he agrees he looks like a bitch to some extent, being ordered around.

 

Since WHEN has THAT Mattered to YOU???...Your MIDDLE NAME Is "Off Topic"....Or "DIVERSIONARY BULLSHIT" for Short...



REED:hammert:

 

Okay, throw them in too....after all....they were never going to have much of a legacy in America....so...we are AgREED...the names of the following are stricken from the record, never to be mentioned as worthy fighters ever again:

W Klitschko
V Klitschko
Evander Holyfield
Shane Mosley
Aaron Pryor
Roy Jones
James Toney
Fernando Vargas
Frans Botha

Okay, so glad to have gotten that out of the way.

 

He's asking Pacquiao to undergo the most extreme drug testing in boxing history, and Pacman has never even failed a drug test in his career, or has any other evidence against him to suggest PED use. You don't find that somewhat ridiculous?

 

Why did you specifically target Mannys reputation at 140-147 for eradication?

Why did you never mention the titles he won at lower weights?

Why did you settle on 140-147 alone?:warning:

 

Regardless of what happen Pacquiao is going to have to roll-over...

Weeks, months ago people were saying if the fight doesn't happen it's Mayweather is to blame. TODAY it's PACQUIAO who is preventing the fight from happening.....


yeah Pacquiao can go on to fight other guys Mosley, Valero neither one would be interested on making Pacquiao go the extra mile for the testing..MOsley because well he might be on something himself..and Valero won't bark because the dude is garbage and knows he has no realistic shot at beating Pacquiao....on/off roids..

but everyone WILL KNOW that Pacquiao vs. Mayweather did not happen because PACQUIAO did not want to take a few DRUG TEST....

 

There is a big difference between that and saying "that everyone knows Manny Pac is on gear" which is what Reed is saying.