if, If, IF (GOD Forbid) Pac & Floyd DON'T Fight, Whose LEGACY Suffers MORE???...

Which 1 of these Fighters will Suffer the WORST Damage to his Legacy if this Fight DOESN'T Come to Fruition???....



REED:hammert:

 

I voted Floyd but it's on the assumption that Pac is clean. If Manny isn't or is never tested, I think it hurts both guys to be honest.

FM because he never had that defining superfight and Manny because he turned down the same fight and will have a cloud of suspicion over his career from here on out.

 

Great question. As much as I hate to say it, I have to say Pac. The 'if you don't have anything to hide, why not take the test' stigma will always hang over him.

TFK

 

Pacquiao even with all the doubt of steroid abuse can and will probably fight Mosley soon..while Mayweather is left holding his dick......

Mosley won't bitch about drug testing and shit...and Pacquiao will happily fight him...


10-20-30 years from now PACQUIAO will still have to answer for the Mayweather fight not happening...

 

I agree.

I shall add though, if Manny is never tested, it won't hurt his legacy.

Innocent until proven guilty is what it comes down to. If he never fails a drug test and hs name is never linked to steroids in a solid way, then this won't affect his legacy at all. A few rumours and hunches don't ruin a legacy.

 

it depends, if PBF continues on his garbage/hopeless opponent thread while Pac continue fighting top guy ( Malignaggi isn't a top guy fyi ) than Floyd legacy will suffer much more as he'll be seen as a ducker. But providing they both face top quality opponents, Pac legacy will suffer more because most people will think the reason he didn't make the fight is because he was afraid to get caught roiding.

 

Question cannot be answered because we dont know who either fighter is going to fight next or what the result of that fight will be.

 

I think REED rightfully indicates that both will suffer. Both have already suffered.

Floyd sounds like a scared litle bitch and Pac sounds like he is doping.

 

fuck these guys legacies. my wallet will suffer the most, which is most important

 

Floyd doesn't have a legacy Reed.:: He'll end up like Roy Jones. Basically "Who gives a f*ck" when all is said and done. Fans already realize that these guys were more about making as much coin with the least risk. Anytime these guys faced challenges, they ran away.
Can't have legacies when you don't have any defining fights. What battles did Floyd have? What wars? That backstepping posturing shoulder roll sh*t doesn't create a legacy, especially when the biggest fight of your career was a boring 12 round decision against a shot inactive De La Hoya. Adding to that, those other joke fights with Baldomir, Marquez and Hatton. Hatton...a guy who came up in weight and Marquez who came up 2 classes to fight Floyd.
What a legacy.
We already saw what a legacy Floyd has when he screwed off for 2 years and nobody gave a f*ck.:laughing:

 

Pacquaio won't suffer. He's provided the most brutal of beatdowns to many opponents including Barrera, Morales, De La Hoya, Cotto, etc not to mention some really hellacious battles against crafty Marquez. He defines the violence which fans expect in boxing. People loved Tyson for the same reason. Tyson could fight a long list of overmatched pretenders but the fans soaked it up.
As long as Pacquaio delivers blood and violence, fans are happy. They'll watch him no matter who he fights.
Floyd on the other hand results in sleep-inducing rubbish with fans heading for exits in the 9th round or yelling "UFC...UFC" after the fight.::

 

I voted Floyd for the same reason I've said all along...

Floyd's fought 40 times and in each case he's abided by the rules of the commission of the state he's fought in.

Now he's faced with Pacquiao and he wants assurances which goes above and beyond everything his previous 40 fights called for.

The fight could be off the table for March 13 (which I hope it is).

His best bet is to scrap that date, appeal to the commission in the hopes of making it an item for the commissions agenda in January.

Hope the commission passes rules which makes him comfortable with fighting Manny...then if Manny balks or finds a reason to not fight in Nevada...the fault is on him.

 

People will say PBF ducked Pacquaio regardless. That's what they are saying now.

 

To mention nothing of the fact that, according to Ellberes logic, its drugs thats making this fight so lucrative in the first place.

Manny looks great, thanks to the drugs, and this fight looks great thanks to Manny looking great.

So, by their own logic, they want to get rid of the one thing that has made this bout the attractive proposition it is.

 

Don't forget the history between Golden Boy, Top Rank, Manny and Floyd.

Floyd hates Oscar...just so happens he hates Arum more (and vice versa)

Oscar's reasoning for fighting Manny was to make him "pay" for the Golden Boy-Top Rank fiasco.

The way Oscar went out in his last fight at this point his only saving grace is to have the idea floating around that Manny somehow cheated.

Don't forget...Hatton is a Golden Boyer as well.

 

To best of my knowledge, Hatton has not spoken on the matter yet, as it is the Holiday Season, and he is eating.

 

I betcha Mosley will demand USADA testing. He´s not afraid, Mayweather is not afraid. I´m not sure why Pacquiao is afraid. Nobody with a professional team has to be afraid of these tests. Do you honestly think Nike/Adidas or the pharma corporations are really pushing for great tests to catch cheats in large numbers?

A pharmaceutical worker developed a cheap and working salve against atopic dermatitis. Could have helped millions. The company, who was selling a much worse product for a larger price, reacting by firing him. So he decided to produce it at his own cost and they harrassed him until he was broke physically, mentally and financially and had to check into a mental home. Made me sick to my stomach. Look at the swine flu. Same shit, just another flu, but now that the pharma lobby is sitting in on the WHO, it´s blown out of proportion. Next year you´ll all get your drive by neeedle for the kangaroo flu.

End of rant.

 

Of course a known steriod taker isn't going to bitch about drug testing.

 

What was the guy's name?

I've sort of vaguely heard sick things about the pharmaceutical industry, but no details.

El - what do you think the chances are that Flid is on PEDs of some kind?

 

One post ago Floyds legacy sucked because hes fought crappy comp like Oscar and Marquez. Now Marquez is crafty. To quote Floyd, Which is it?

 

Sorry, I don´t remember, it has been a while.

Well let´s say I´d be shocked if 90% of the top athletes weren´t on some stuff one way or the other. Sometimes you get a glimpse of what a difference a real high doseage can make, like when Landis had to make up three minutes on the last mountain stage of the TdF and went for it. He drove roughly 150 km up and down four hills all by himself and distanced a big chasing group by like four minutes and they were likely on shit, too. Or when Johan Mühlegg switched nationalities and went from being average to winning a 30 kilometres cross country Olympic mass start going away at the start and never looking back. Or look at Marion Jones, at her best she ran like 10.70ish times with little effort. After her ban she couldn´t even crack 11.25 or the semis of a major competition.

 

Yeah, he's crafty. Just don't go asking him to jump up 2 weight classes and at the same time fight a guy who didn't make the weight he was contractually obligated to make. It ain't rocket science, rjj.

 

Of course they're saying it. Pac's ready to fight. Floyd doesn't want the fight, just like he didn't want Margo and Mosley.

 

Paul Williams, Winky........you can add them to that list.

 

Innocet until proven guilty is the biggest hypocrisy in America. If asuspect is innocent, then why does he enter the courtroom in handcuffs and a jumpsuit?

 

Cos he needs his threads and bling.

 

Cause you guys ain't taking no chances.::

 

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PBF's legacy will suffer more as far as I'm concerned.
I suspected from looking @ his track record that he wanted to avoid the greatest challenges available & consequently I suspected that he would find a way to avoid Pac.
Now he has.
...In my mind, he is now officially a coward.

Great talent, but NOT a great fighter.

 

Yeah maybe he should start taking PED's and move up to middleweight and knockout Pavlik.