Mayweather backs down from USADA demand

It dosent matter. PBF is gonna beat Manny easily. Seriously guys does anyone here think this is gonna be competetive? ::

 

You seem a lot more confident in Floyd than Floyd himself.

 

Dude, I'm a confessed Floyd Hater (Proud member of the now defunct Pretty Boy Hater Club) and I like Pacquiao... Still, I don't understand why the majority of posters here side with Pacquiao on the drug testing issue... :dunno:

 

I agree with val, I said as much. If I was innocent, I would refuse the tests.

I'd simply say the accusations are unfounded, I've never failed a drugs test, fuck you.

I have to admit though, the bullshit excuses seem more suspicious than if they simply said "No, we're not going to be bullied into doing something that no other fighter in history has been required to do".

 

Let me just say, knowing you a bit Kenneth, I'm NOT surprised you're this muthafucking stupid, that you think it's perfectly reasonable to ask a fighter that's never failed a drugs test or been linked to steroids in any way, to undergo the most extreme drug testing in the history of the sport :kidcool:

 

Hex you're such a moron it's unbelievable, after Manny beat Cotto, you thought Manny would beat Floyd. And now you're laughing at the mere notion that he might be competitive ::

 

You insist on extreme as if the test were a pain in the ass to take. These tests aren't demanding physically. These are the tests amateur boxers are subjected to if they want to go to the olympics... Pacquiao was ready to refuse over 25M $ because of the tests. All because of a question of principles? :atu: Come on if you're clean, you pass the frickin tests! It is not an admission of guilt to accept to pass the tests, quite the contrary in fact.

And yes, it is perfectly reasonable because the tests boxing asks sucks and can't detect much.

If you were clean and would refuse PED tests and at the same time decline a 25M $ pay day because you feel it is unfair to ask you EXTREME tests (:atu:) you're the one who's stupid MWS, and you know I tell you that with love.:kidcool:

 

Floyd fanatics are a whacky bunch.

 

Of course I think it's absolutely fine if we ask both fighters to undergo tests that other top athletes take. Why wouldn't I? Because Floyd Mayweather Jr asked for it? I understand the guy is a jerk but he's not asking Pacquiao to give him head. He's asking that they both take more stringent tests. And while you're here whining about it, please note that Pacquiao didn't have an issue with this request. His issue was with the IADA and IOC procedures. And the fact that he has a problem with being randomly tested should make you sit up.

 

It's the principle of it.

Why should I take a lie detector and forensic tests because someone thinks I LOOK like a criminal? Just a hunch?

That's what it comes down to. The accusations are not founded on anything but the beatings he's been handing out "shouldn't be possible".

Lots of things are surprising in boxing, going back half a century, it doesn't mean all the fighters were roided up.

Also that would be disruptive to a camp. Even someone coming in at least once a week, I wouldn't want that.

I work as a programmer and artist, and the programmign side of my work especially, takes such immense focus and concentration, it pisses me off when someone calls me, because I'm in the zone.

I would feel that way if I was a boxer. If I was innocent, I'd want to the same training and testing procedures as every other one of my fights, I wouldn't want to be bullied into something out of principle, seeing as I was officially 100% roid free, and I also wouldn't want some fucking mooks coming into my camp once or twice a week asking for blood tests and urine samples.

Anyone who would just comply without a fuss is a bitch.

 

Me neither. I really don't. Better testing? I'm all for it. They should make it mandatory. And if we can get two of the top athletes to comply, maybe they will. But for some reason, one of them is only cool with it if he knows when the tests are...and also requested a 30 day period where he couldn't be tested. And some bright guys on here think he's in the right.

 

If this was the issue - as you are desperately trying to make it out to be - he would have never agreed to do it. But he did. In fact, they were jumping all up and down about it. "We'll pass ANY test." Wait...what? Random? Oh hell no, man. I'm suing!

 

I swear if the situation was reversed I would feel the same way.

I don't like Floyd, but it has NOTHING to do with him.

I just don't like this assumption that pacman is guilty based on nothing, based on him looking good. I don't like this catch 22 situation where he is forced into doing something, when he is actually officially innocent of any wrongdoing.

Is he supposed to just take it up the arse and agree to whatever stipulations they present?

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt too.

Take your favourite fighter Roy, he (unlike Pacquiao) has actually failed a drugs test. Yet I don't necessarily think he was roiding, as the test seemed suspect. I could easily have thought OH HE FAILED TEH TEST!! He's guilty.

 

Design me a website, but first I need to know you are not a criminal, that will incorporate some hidden racist, gay or pedophile stuff? What would you do for 25 million? You´d give them blood, urine, a lie detector test, nail the ugly old secretary in front of the boss and get a 10 year membership from Amnesty International, the Red Cross and Feed the World. ::

 

Agreed, but it's not Floyd's call, he doesn't make the rules.

Didn't Pacman say he would agree to whatever rules the NSAC set out, even if that included random testing?

Which would go along with my theory that they simply don't want to take it up the arse, especially considering Pacquiao is officially roid free.

 

But this is not the issue, Mex. You're concentrating on something that is not in dispute. Again, Manny Pacquiao had no problems with Mayweather's request. So the so-called accusations are irrelevant. His issue was with being tested randomly during training, particularly toward the end of training. That is what we are/should be discussing.

On a side note, if you don't think Roy was roiding then you're an awfully nice guy. You don't get caught on a one-time thing. There's no question that he and other top fighters in the sport (sh*t, in sports period!) are on PEDs.

 

.....................don't forget the ass-fucking from Michael Clarke Duncan. :nono:

 

Fair point ::

But I'm not a high profile fighter, or already a millionaire etc.

I'm also not a greedy man. If I was in Pacquiao's position, and roid free, I would say no.

You know the funny is, putting myself in his shoes, I would be more likely to agree if I WAS roiding.

Because imaging myself in that position, as an innocent party, my reaction would be "I haven't done anything wrong, fuck off!".

But If I WAS roiding? I'd probably think to myself, fuck, well I am on roids, I better agree to this otherwise everybody is going to think I'm roiding anyway, and I better find some superb maskign agents or something" ::

 

First of all, that statement is an assumption. The NSAC admits themselves that their testing is a joke. Commissions are at the mercy of the promoters, networks and fighters, Vegas included. Vegas especially. Anyway, don't Pac's counter proposals sound odd to you? Why is he even counter proposing? What is wrong with the measures he initally agreed to that he - king of sports, apparently - feels he can dictate to the anti-doping agency when he can be tested and what kind of tests he can be administered?

 

Sorry, but the assertion that he is roiding is also an assumption. And as of yet, that assumption is yet to be trumped by anything, and cannot be trumped by gang of cunts posturing and spreading rumours, a la De la Hitler, Shafter and Leonard Allergy.

 

Whatever, man.

• When a guy tries to tell the anti-doping agency that he's ok with being tested as long as it's not random...
  
• When his trainer claims his fighter will be weakened mentally from tests...
  
• When the same trainer claims blood tests are worse than urine tests...
  
• When the party in question says they don't want to be tested within 30 days of the fight...
  
• When the party in question claims they're terrified of needles...

In the court of public opinion, Manny Pacquiao doth protest too much. and his waffling on excuses the last few days make him look as guilty as Mark McGwire sobbing on the stand. But they never caught him either. Just like they never caught Shane Mosley, Evander Holyfield...

 

Hold on one cotton-picking moment, Suh...........the dirt they had on Evan Fields and Sugary Shane goes WAY BEYOND anything they "have" on Pac.

In fact, they dont have ANYTHING ON PAC

No comparison. Sorry.

 

What dirt on Shane Mosley? There was no dirt on Shane Mosley. We didn't even know he juiced until years later...heck, we found out by accident! There was no dirt on Mosley. Same with Holyfield.

The testing procedures we have now are garbage. Garbage. To assume any top athlete might not be juicing is awfully naive. To assume it in boxing is downright laughable. Again, everyone laughed at Jose Canseco when he called out names. Didn't he say 85% of baseball players were juicing? What did we do? We laughed, we called him jealous, a junkie, an a**hole, etc. Then Bonds. Then Sosa. McGwire. Palmeiro. A-Rod. Clemens. On and on...he was right. In boxing, no one wants to be the rat to spill the beans. Floyd Mayweather is just a jerk who opens his mouth too much and he did what many had been whispering. But if you really want to know whether or not it's true, you won't find your answer in testing administered by the NSAC, that much I can tell you.

 

Fair enough, I admit some of the excuses are dubious from the Manny camp. Sometimes they act like it's the principle, sometimes they act like it's being tested close to the fight etc.

I guess I'm expressing my views on team Floyd's request in the first place, not so much team Manny's reaction.

I don't think you have the right to make requests like that against a fighter that's never been linked to steroids in anyway.

Making a request like that against someone like Mosley is more understandable.

 

We found out.....thats dirt enough. He he....how can you say there is no dirt on Shane:atu: We found out didn't we??

I agree with you on Canseco. There was a concerted media campaign to get the guy passed off as some sort of nefarious rat. It was disgusting.

I am not saying that Pac is not on roids. What I am saying is that an assumption is just that...an assumption. Nothing more.

 

I hear what you're saying but this request should be asked of every fighter. Besides, it's not like Pacquiao is the only one that would be tested. I mean, Floyd Mayweather isn't accusing himself. Pacquiao's actions are shady - and really quite obvious but I can understand why people don't want to go there.

 

How did we find out Shane was on roids? The NSAC? Exactly. Besides, the point is that there was no dirt on Mosley until we found out. So you can't argue that Pacquiao has no dirt so it's different. As easily as Mosley was using when there were no rumors is exactly as easy as it is for Pac to use when there are.

 

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Shane admitted to it.

 

He admitted it years later, Irish. What's your point? All of this occured years after the De La Hoya fight. Were there any rumors of him juicing prior the fight? None.