Floyd Mayweather agrees to undergo...

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Manny already agreed to the most stringent testing measures ever done on a fighter in boxing HISTORY.

There is also no conclusive proof that blood is more effective as a testing medium than urine. No conclusive proof.

This is just Mayweather trying to be Blackula. Sorry.

 

Are you talking out of your ass or is your head stuck in there? Pacquiao has not agreed to anything you've said.

Second, please explain how there is no conclusive proof that blood testing is more effective than urine? In terms of testing for what exactly? Weed?

 

It's not childish, I'm shooting down the retarded argument that "Floyd is prepared to do it, so Manny should agree".

Should Manny do anything Floyd is prepared to? What if one of the rules was that they had to train in a miniskirt and bra everyday? Should he agree to that, because Floyd is prepared to?

 

Now you're using personal insults in what was a civil debate. You have lost, this debate is over.

 

The fact of the matter is very simple. A fighter with no record of steroids, should not have to undergo the most extreme drug testing in the history of boxing because his opponent wants him to, based on nothing more than a hunch.

 

Or that you had to take it in the ass from Michael Clark Duncan everyday. Hey it's $40 million dollars, if you refuse, you're a cheater! :shit:

 

We've moved from a circus to wearing a miniskirt and bra. Strange.

Anyway, both fighters have made requests and each one has been handled accordingly. Mayweather didn't budge for the outlandish 10mil fine. The fact is, Pacquiao doesn't want to be randomly tested and that's why this fight isn't happening (I believe it will). The request for more stringent testing isn't any more outlandish than a 10 million dollar fine. It's unprecedented - but in a good way. And I support it, 100%. Why? Because the commissions are at the mercy of promoters and fighters. And the only way you'll ever see boxing's health practices join the rest of the world in the 21st century is if one of these promoters or fighters got behind it. The NSAC themselves admit they are basically bound to what these guys do. So even if Satan himself were to suggest it, I'd be all for it. My issue is, why isn't Pacquiao? And so far, all I've heard is basically because Floyd asked. Umm..alrighty.

 

Did Oscar De la Hoya ever have a history of being unable to make weight?

Just because it hasn't been done before doesn't mean it shouldn't be done period. The sport has to start somewhere, Mex. And while Floyd has his own agenda - probably scared - his request is actually commendable. And long over due. Crazy, right?

 

Manny asked for $10,000,000 per pound over because Floyd cheated Marquez out of a fair fight. When has Manny been proven to be a cheater?

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the idea that any fighters are roided up.

The tests should be better. But that's not up to Floyd, he should approach the NSAC, and ask them to introduce better testing, then team Manny wouldn't have a choice in the matter, and wouldn't look like a bitch if he agreed.

I agree the 10 million demand was silly, but it was only in response to the drug testing demand.

Not only that, but in his very last fight Floyd came in heavier than the contracted weight and had to pay a fine.

Did Manny fail a drug test in the Cotto fight?

 

Actually...that's what Floyd did. The NSAC is just a commission that goes along with anything the promoters say because...who the f*ck are they? Floyd couldn't have requested this without their approval. And it would have gone through except...Manny doesn't want it.

People keep saying that it would be ok if everyone had to take these tests but boxing just doesn't work that way (that's the fucking problem!). Mex, when I spoke to Margaret Goodman she told me that promoters will basically tell them to eff off and move to the next state. And there are commissions in each state so trying to create a unified rule is almost impossible. At the end of the day, it's all about the dollar sign.

As for Manny failing a test in the Cotto fight...I ask you, when did Oscar De La Hoya (who had weighed a surprisingly spry 150 for Stevie Forbes in his previous bout) ever fail to make weight?

 

Personal insults? You mean when you told me about a low IQ about 10 posts ago? Thefukkouttahere.

Clowns like you make me sick. Man up. Tell me what tests you're referring to when you make comments about blood/urine testing? Or are you taking out of your ass again?

 

Fair enough. I guess my angle is putting myself in Manny's shoes, as an innocent man, I would be inclined to refuse. Even though I might acknowledge that drug testing should be better, I would probably be pretty pissed off that it was ME that was being picked on so to speak, despite having no record of PED use.

As I said before, Floyd's motives would be far less dubious if this was routine for him, something he expected of ALL opponents. That would be GOOD for the sport.

I think you're giving Floyd a bit too much credit for this one off demand, thinking Floyd is the saving grace of boxing, and is the new face of drug testing in the sport ::

If Floyd had been asking every opponent for years to agree to this kind of testing, I would have much more of a problem with Manny refusing.

You might turn round and say it has to start somewhere, sure, but it's not starting here for the right reasons. It's starting here because Floyd's own dad has publicly accused Pacquiao of PED use, and possibly that Floyd is far less confident against Pacquiao than he usually is.

And seeing as you've only just joined in this discussion Kenneth, I'll repeat what I've said before - I'm not stupid, I fully acknowledge the possibility that Pacquiao is roided up to the eyeballs. But to me, refusing a test isn't an admission of guilt.

The funny thing is, I think if I actually WAS taking PED's, I would be more likely to agree to the testing, and just find a way to cheat them. Why? Because I would feel guilty, and I would think fuck, if I refuse, everyone is going to know I'm roided up.

As an innocent person, my thought process would be more naive. I'd think fuck it, I'm innocent, I don't have to do anything.

 

I can't argue with that. But I think an innocent man behaves different. Like Lance Armstrong did, for instance. Personally, I think if more stringent testing was bandied about and I wasn't a user, I wouldn't care. Kinda like how Floyd knows he'll make weight so he didn't even blink when they threw that crazy number at him.

I've already explained why this being routine will be a problem. In fact, it can only become routine if guys like Floyd and Pac agree to do it. In fact, even if it wasn't routine, it would still be good for the sport if they agreed. Two of the top athletes setting that precedent? Fuck yeah!

I'm not giving Floyd any credit. I don't know if you have read all my posts but it's obvious he has his motives, probably fear IMO. That's really not the issue

See above.

If you think these accusations began with Floyd Sr, I don't know what to tell you. Sure he was the d*ck that went public but these rumors have been swirling since forever. Which is why everyone (Berto, Malignaggi, Cintron, Palomino, and on) was happy to join in soon as big mouth ran his lips. And I agree Floyd is far less confident IMO.

Fair enough, bud.

Unless the testing is random and you don't know how you'd be able to cheat it and still use. Then you just say, no way. Feel me?

 

Of course that's a possibility too. But it seems like the only PED currently unable to be detected in urine (or rather for which such test doesn't exist yet) - is HGH.

Now according to the Conte interview that many of you place a certain amount of gravitas to, Pacquiao is not likely to be taking HGH, and EPO would be far more beneficial to a boxer.

EPO has been detectable in urine since around the 2000's. Pacquiao agreed to random urine testing.

But you see what I am saying right? That if you were innocent, you might not even assume that people might assume you're guilty, because you'd know you were innocent. So you might just think fuck that, I don't have to prove anything, I've never taken steroids, fuck you.

Where as if you were guilty, you'd feel paranoid, and might just agree to the tests because you'd think if you didn't, everyone would KNOW you were roiding.

Or of course it could be that he is taking something like HGH and there isn't a masking agent that could defeat a random blood test.

As you probably know, I am a hardcore boxing fan, but I don't pay much attention to boxing gossip etc.

I like to talk about boxing and watch fights. As far as I knew, these rumours started with Flid Sr.

So when did these rumours start? After Manny whupped Oscar? And by who?

 

Good post MWS........

Look at the organisation behind Mayweather...therein lie the answers.

 

Talk about sensible and logical. If MWS left this website, you'd all be stuck with guys like REED, and you've read his shitty post.

 

Actually, Mex you're wrong. There are many variants of EPO and the most likely wouldn't have been caught using urine testing.

Furthermore, I'm beginning to think I live in a warped universe. To justify Pacquiao's actions, I'm hearing that if you're innocent, you will avoid the random testing and that if you're guilty, you'll take them. Yeah, that's a possibility.:laughing:

As far as the rumors, I first caught wind nearly two years ago and it had little to do with Pac but one could easily see how he was tied in. And these rumors got stronger and stronger. You know what makes them even stronger? Look around.

 

What do you mean by it had little to do with Pac?

Who did it have to do with then?

And I'm not justifying Pacquiao's actions, I'm giving an illogically logical explanation to how an innocent party could be more compelled to refuse than a guilty party.

 

I'd rather not discuss here, if you can respect that.