The PAC SAC Swingers/Manny PEDquiao BANDWAGON...

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  1. Irish

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    Then Floyd can do what Manny says, seeing as Floyd stands to make the same. Holla back!
     
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    Good point. Floyd stands to make 25 million too. Surely he would do ANYTHING to get that 25 mil, including going through the same testing he has done with EVERY OTHER OPPONENT OF HIS ENTIRE CAREER.
     
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    Hex just reminded me of this exchange in Idiocracy...probably because it is Hex's post I'm reading:

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    President Camacho: "Now I understand everyone's shit's emotional right now. But I've got a 3 point plan that's going to fix EVERYTHING"

    Congressman: "Break it down, Camacho!"

    President Camacho: Number 1: We've got this guy, Not Sure. Number 2: He's got a higher IQ than ANY MAN ALIVE. and Number 3: He's going to fix EVERYTHING.

    :lol::lol::lol:
     
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    Neither that movie nor those stupid quotes were funny. I don't get why people liked that dumbass movie. It reminds me of everyone thinking Space Balls was so fucking funny when it wasn't.
     
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    "Space Balls" Actually WAS Funny...The Mere SIGHT of Rick Moranis w/the Over Sized Darth Vader Helmet STILL Makes REED Laugh Out Loud...




    REED:lol:
     
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    Who gave this thread a 2 star rating? :atu:
     
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    That's only because REED doesn't understand 3 is higher than 2. :lol:
     
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    It's really not that complicated:

    Fighter A is abiding by the rules & is prepared to go ahead with the fight as per standard procedure.

    Fighter B want's to add an unprecedented (not included in the rules, NOT as per standard procedure) stipulation or he won't fight.

    Fan A thinks that fighter A should be able to proceed like he & fighter B (and every other fighter in history up to this point) and go ahead with the fight as per standard procedure and not have to change simply because his opponent wants him to.


    "Fan" B thinks that because fighter A wants to proceed like he & fighter B (and every other fighter in history up to this point) and go ahead with the fight as per standard procedure & does not want to comply with an unprecedented (not included in the rules, NOT as per standard procedure) stipulation simply because his opponent wants him to, must be a cheat and musn't want the fight.
     
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    I find it funny how people like you fail to see the irony in your Pac apologetics. You are so wrapped up in defense for Pac, you are completely blind to how dumb you sound.

    Pac and camp (Fighter B to you sir) went to Miguel Cotto (Fighter A to you, who by the way was abiding by the rules & ready to go ahead with standard procedure), and wanted to add a stipulation that was NOT included in the rules and NOT standard procedure. Yes, that's right. Pac wanted a welterweight fight wherein Miguel Cotto could only weigh in at 145 pounds. The rules state that the fighters in such a bout could come in at any weight at or below the 147 pound limit.

    Yet Pac insisted on a virtually unprecedented, extra, rule-breaking, standard procedure breaking stipulation that poor Miguel Cotto had to abide by or Pac wouldn't fight. Poor Miguel Cotto (Fighter A) just wanted to be able to proceed like he & fighter B (and every other fighter in history up to this point) and go ahead with the fight as per standard procedure and not have to change simply because his opponent wants him to.

    Worse still, the added stipulation in PAc/Cotto wasn't only "not included in the rules" and "not standard procedure" - it was also arguably DANGEROUS to Miguel Cotto (Fighter A) as he was clearly rather severely weight drained. At least in your example that you are all tied up in knots over, the added stipulation of drawing a few more teaspoons of blood isn't DANGEROUS.

    The only difference between the PBF/Pac stipulation and the Cotto/Pac stipulation and any other of many contractually mandated "rule-breaking" "non-standard" stipulations is that Pac fans like you and Pac himself DON'T LIKE THE REPERCUSSIONS OF REFUSING THIS STIPULATION.

    Pac (and you) want Manny to be able to ask whatever he wants of other fighters, but then your moral outrage rises like bile in your gut when finally someone asks something of him which is BASIC and SIMPLE and has NO IMPACT on his health whatsoever... but makes him look bad. Fuck him. Like it or not, someone is playing Pac's own game on him, and playing it better, and now poor "offended", "superstitious", "needle-fearing" toughguy Manny Pacquiao looks like a cheat. Which he is.
     
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    To each his own, I said he reminded me of that part in the movie---I didn't say that was one of the funny parts. The fact that he reminded me of it was funny because Hex's intelligence level is commensurate with the character in the movie, and it is a very very good movie as a scathing criticism of the dumbing down of society. I guess some of us appreciate satire and some of us don't.

    I thought it was a very funny movie.:dunno:
     
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    So it seems that you fall more under the category of "Fan" B in my scenario.

    I'm more of a "Fan A" myself.

    It's hard to see how wanting to proceed like he (and every other fighter in history up to this point) and go ahead with the fight as per standard procedure & not wanting to comply with an unprecedented (not included in the rules, NOT as per standard procedure) stipulation simply because his opponent wants him to, equates to cheating.

    I find it more likely that a guy who want's to add an unprecedented (not included in the rules, NOT as per standard procedure) stipulation or he won't fight, is attempting to avoid the fight. Especially when the fighter in question is PBF, who as far as I can tell from recent history has shown no real signs of wanting to fight the best available opposition.

    I also find it frustrating as a boxing fan to see a great talent like PBF seemingly intent (based on recent history) on avoiding the best available challenges. I must admit I thought he had proved me wrong when he agreed to fight Manny. But after Manny signed (have I got that right?-Manny has signed hasn't he?), he found a way out as I originally suspected he would.


    As far as Pac-Cotto is concerned, personally, I didn't like the fact that Cotto had to weigh in @ 145 at all. I would have rather it been @ 147. I wouldn't have blamed Cotto for refusing.
     
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