if, If, IF (GOD Forbid) Pac & Floyd DON'T Fight, Whose LEGACY Suffers MORE???...

Manny isn't a hero. My hero would look great vs prime Cotto, and look great vs prime Hatton. By Floyds reckoning, Manny Pac is not that man.

 

It pains me to say it but I agree. the public statements from TR and the Pacquaio camp have only painted them in a worse light.

 

To be honest I don't think the answer can be determined right now. Suppose Manny goes on to have an outstanding career and never gets found to have used any illegal substances yet Floyd continues to somehow avoid dangerous opposition until his retirement. I have to think that it will be Floyd who would look worse. No matter how bad Mannys reluctance to take the test is it doesn't prove his guilt. Floyd will have a career built on protecting his prescious 0. I'd have to think he'll suffer the worse criticism, not Manny.

By the way, the fight is officially off:

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=24359

 

This is the bottom line. Manny is under NO obligation to 'prove' his innocence. Since when has a person been guilty until proven innocent? He has undergone testing on countless other occassions and been passed as clean. There is in place a process of due process for testing the guilt of drug cheats, and he has not ONCE been convicted by that process. Yet the majority of posters here think he is on PED's... :notallthere:

If the testing is flawed, then it should be changed of course, but how flawed is the current testing? If it is as flawed as some here (all medical experts, of course ) are making out, then why has no-one changed it?

MTF :dunno:

 

That's the way it has always been in the court of Public Opinion.

TFK

 

Oscar and Shafter do not constitute an accurate portrayal of public opinion. Pubic Opinion, yes, but Public Opinion? Never!

 

Everyone knows Floyd is the better fighter.

even pac lovers know in their hearts
pac blows

 

PBF isn't half as good as his fans and the media think he is.

 

I honestly think that Floyd's legacy will take the harder hit in the long run if they don't fight.

As of right now Floyd needs to step up his competition more than Pacquiao. Hell, Floyd's next fight better be against an elite 147 fighter because he hasn't fought a real challenge in a while.

Pacquiao's willingless to fight anybody at any weight will bury this controversy soon. While Floyd being as picky as he is will just keep claiming he is the best and blah blah blah!

I know that everyone has given both arguments as to why Pacquiao should or should not do the blood test. I think there is an argument for both sides.

But this all started because of Floyd. The Urine test was good enough for his last 40 oponents but no for Pacquiao? Already people see the change towards Pacquiao.

At the same time Floyd has been contradicting himself about how easy he would beat Pacquiao. Hell he was saying this weeks ago on the Joe Buck show.

Floyd is the one that created this mess and is why he is getting alot of shit.

I also think Pacquiao will finish his carreer fighter better competition. Weather he losses again or not.

Floyd will probably retire undefeated and with a sense of underachieving during the last part of his carreer.

 

Wow, I actually agree with LATINQUEEN, I better bookmark this thread.

 

That still makes him twice as good as you claim he is

 

Well 2010 is going to be pretty interesting.

Floyd is in a tough situation here. Who is he going to fight next? Is he going to ask all future opponents to take a blood test prior to the fight? If not is he going to appeal to the NSAC to change the rules regarding drug testing?

If Floyd doesn't adhere to his blood test/fair play mantra in future fights it will look like the demand was BS and he did not care about fair play at all, or a negotiations strategy to piss Team Pac off. It depends on who he fights.

If Floyd fights a big threat at 147 (eg.Mosley/Berto winner) people will be more inclined to believe the blood test demand was posturing/playing hardball.

However,.... IF Floyd opts to fight a non threat, and doesn't ask for blood tests, people will look back at this blood test contract demand as a smokescreen for him to get out of the fight with Pacquaio. Especially when you consider the fact he never asked for it in his other 40 fights.

In light of the heat Mayweather has been taking for his competition over the last several years (eg. RA rugged man interview, Shane confronting him after the Marquez fight etc), Floyd only has one option. Fight a legit threat at 147.

However from what I've seen he's looking at Hatton as his next opponent (as of Dec 29/'09)

I'm doubtful Floyd will fight Hatton. If he does, either he's surrounded by terrible 'yes' men, or he blatantly just doesn't give a fk and is going for an easy money fight. Floyd is smart enough to know the media will rip him if he fights Hatton. So if he does, he's banking on the fact he now has a De La Hoya like fanbase that will pay him to watch anybody.

I really hope he's using Hatton as leverage (for boxings' sake) because 2010 can end badly for Mayweather if he makes the wrong decisions. For his sake, he absolutely cannot allow Manny to gain momentum.

Team Pacquiao is looking at Yuri Foreman@ 154. Foreman is nothing special, but he's a bigger fighter who's a titleholder and worlds better than Hatton, whos nobody. If Manny beats Foreman wins an 8th title in 8 divisions, then beats the Mosley/Berto winner , becomes the undisputed welter champ, wins Fighter of the Year for the 3rd year in a row, while Floyd does nothing, Floyd is screwed. He'll look like he really had no intention of fighting anybody in the first place.

If Floyd is serious about his legacy, he absolutely cannot let Manny fight Mosley/Berto winner before he does, particularly Mosley in light of the heat he's taking for supposedly ducking him (and others).

Floyd cannot retire again, nor can he fight a non threat. He'll look like he had no intention of fighting anybody and the drug test demand was a front to get out the fight. Manny keeps winning and dominating, and its Floyd will take all the heat for making the fight not happen.

I think Floyd is waiting things out. If Berto wins, he'll probably fight him as he probably thinks he can outbox and maybe stop him and unify the titles. Plus he'll never have fight Mosley ever saying Berto already beat him. If Shane wins, I don't know what Floyd is going to do to be honest. I don't think Floyd wants any part of Shane.

The thing is, Manny doesn't need Floyd at all (for recognition or money), and that puts Floyd in a situation where he needs to fight a legit threat for to be considered #1 P4P, and higher all time. For him to do that he'll have to unify against Mosley/Berto for example. If he fights lesser opposition or retires he'll get crucified.

 

foreman is clearly an infinitely better foe than hattons chump of a sibling. a terrible fight for pacquiao, he'll look worse than mayweather jr will and get paid less.