Roach: Khan won´t fight Maidana, should vacate title...

As you said yourself lad: speed is power.

MTF :fightme:

 

Absolutely!

 

For years Brits claimed Riddick Bowe ducked Lemmon because he threw his WBC strap in the garbage...we see how easily that fight was made.

Roach isn't a dummy...he knows what he has in Khan. I'm not kidding...I fully expect Malignaggi's name to be in the mix in the upcoming days....providing Floyd doesn't snap him up.

 

Kinda different situation there buddy

 

I have no idea what you are trying to say in the first part of your post.

The second part I agree with and already stated earlier in the thread...

MTF

 

Wasn't Lewis Bowe's mandatory when he dumped the title in the garbage? Maidana is Khan's mandatory.

Slice thinks is fine for Khan to dump his belt to avoid Maidana.

Yet...for YEARS Brits railed Bowe for ducking Lemmon...my point is...how are the situations not similar.

Furthermore, Slice has some sense of belief Khan will eventually get to Maidana...Bowe and Lemmon never tangled. It should have been squared away when Lemmon was a mandatory challenger...just like Maidana is for Khan.

 

Slice is the only person who doesn't think that Khan is out and out ducking Maidana here, so far as I can tell. The situations ARE similar, and I think that almost everyone agrees with that. :dunno:

The only people in the world who doesn't KNOW that Bowe ducked Lennox are LOK and Valentino on BF. It wasn't just British fans who railled on Bowe. Practically eveyone did. At least Khan hasn't called a press conference and thrown his belt in a bin. That was as big a duck job as this is, except Khan hasn't been calling Maidana out for years like Bowe did Lewis.

MTF

 

Lewis and Bowe was different because that was a fight the whole world wanted to see, and they had agreed to a tournament to decide the #1 heavyweight. From a business point of view, the Mitchell fight would be a bigger seller over here than Maidana. I'm not saying Mitchell is a better fighter, but on these shores he would be a bigger seller. As I said, I would much rather see Khan dispose of Maidana, but that's the nature of the business.

 

I like both Khan and Maidana a lot. I would favor Khan over Maidana, but very risky, for sure.

Of course, no one made Khan fight for a title when he did. If he doesn't want to fight his mandatory, then he will always carry the duck label until he makes it right. It may be the best move for him financially to do it this way, however.

 

Do note the huge amount of shit Mayweather gets for adhering to the same "business" practice.

I was never an Oscar De La Hoya fan and there were certain guys he could have fought on the way up "however" once he hit 147 and above...he fought (and lost) to the best guys.

The "give him time" argument doesn't fly...especially when your trainer makes a point of mentioning how hard hitting Maidana is.

 

Do note the much higher profile Mayweather currently has in the sport, and the fact that he is at a different stage of his career than Khan is right now. There is only ONE man the public want to see Floyd fight right now. Khan has many, many options in one of the most packed divisions out there.

 

(this is too easy)

From 1996 to 2002 Floyd fought the best in his division for the most part. He didn't fight Freitas or Casamayor "however" Corrales was considered a much bigger threat than either of those guys.

Floyd fought Julio Luis Castillo TWICE when he was widely considered the best lightweight in the world.

Even the most devout Floyd haters (meaning ME) don't fuck with his resume pre-2002...with that said...

Let's look at Khan's options...

1). Hatton (not gonna happen because of Frank Warren and frankly...hatton doesn't need the fight)

2). Marquez (best at 135)

3). Devon Alexander and Juan Urango...slated to face each other on HBO

4). Tim Bradley - Bradley would LOVE to take the fight and fight in England no less

5). Maidana - His mandatory for the belt he's so proud of having.

6) Malignaggi - no power, shorter and reach disadvantge...fits PERFECTLY in Khan's wheelhouse

7). Victor Ortiz - Looked like shit in his last fight but has the speed and power to knock Khan out


Those are his options...let's see where he turns next.

Your logic is incredibly flawed. He wants to be an HBO fighter...Maidana was in a great fight with Golden Boy's lauded top guy at 140 on HBO.

THAT makes sense and it's what fans would want to see...not the continued farce.

Perhaps he can rematch Barrera or get Morales out of retirement. Better yet...see if he'll fight Nate Campbell since Campbell just signed with Golden Boy.

 

Um. Where did you see me criticise Floyds fights pre-2002? I was responding to you saying Khan should get the same heat for not fighting Maidana as Floyd does for not fighting Pacquiao. They are completely different scenarios.

Another thing, your viewpoint is from one perspective, as I said to you previously, Khan-Mitchell is a much bigger fight over here than Khan-Maidana, and again as I said to you before, I would much prefer the latter, but the truth is it doesn't make much sense business-wise when you weigh up the risk/reward ratio.

 

I stopped reading right here.

What I'm saying is this...when Floyd was at the point Khan is, he fought the best guys out there.

Khan has no excuse for this crap. It's far too early in his career to cherry pick despite the fact his entire career has been cherry picking.

 

This is interesting, as I recall you being the stand out guy praising Maidana prior to the Ortiz fight. That's precisely how I would see that fight too: Khan could feasably outbox Maidana but if he gets hit, it could well be goodnight.

For Muzse: Khan is only, what, 22? He still has plenty of options, including Maidana at this point. Slice is correct in saying that a fight with Mitchell, who is likely to face Katsidis for a strap in the next few months, would do huge domestic business in the UK and for financial reasons that one might happen very soon. That fight would make more money than almost all of the fights you listed, although a few of them would be 'better' in terms of the strength of the opponent, I'd agree.

MTF

 

Your second paragraph makes my point.

Cherry picking

 

Meh. Not really cherry picking, just sensible at this point. It's a big domestic fight, why not? He's got a profile after beating the guy who KO'd Khan. It only makes no sense to you because you're viewing it from your side of the water. There's plenty of time for Maidana down the line. Let it all out man.

 

Khan says he wants to fight in America next...

Not my perspective or words...HIS.

If the Mitchell fight is so huge there, then cap the talk about fighting here.

As said...cherry picking.

 

Fighters say alot of things straight after fights.

 

WRONG....

From ESPN.com

If England's Amir Khan wants to hang on to his junior welterweight belt, he'll next face interim titlist Marcos Maidana of Argentina after a purse bid was called Tuesday for their mandatory fight. The bid will take place Jan. 18 in the WBA offices in Panama.

There have been questions about whether Khan would accept a fight with the dangerous-punching Maidana, an opponent Khan trainer Freddie Roach isn't interested in.



Khan visited the United States recently and met with Top Rank and Golden Boy officials to shop for a new promotional deal, according to a source with knowledge of the visits.



Khan believes his deal with British promoter Frank Warren is up. Warren, of course, believes otherwise. However, Khan, who wants to fight in America, couldn't get an offer better than the one Warren has on the table for him to fight Maidana, so he may accept the Maidana bout after all and fight for Warren if he wins the purse bid. HBO has designs on televising Khan's next fight, which is ticketed for March.



Khan successfully defended his 140-pound title for the first time Dec. 5 with a 76-second knockout of Dmitriy Salita. Maidana defended his interim belt Nov. 21, knocking out William Gonzalez in the third round.

 

The kid is 22, for fuck's sake man. He's just won his title from a very underrated guy in Kotelink and fulfilled his mandatory. He's entitled to take an optional fight next and the likelihood is that he'll fight Alexanda, a fellow titlist. What do you want him to do- call out Pacquiao?

MTF :dunno:

 

:: Cannot wait to see Glen Mc and the boys talk their way out of this one....::

 

Nice sig:laughing:

 

The WBA is the biggest fuck up ever. It´s simply not true that all the ABC´s are the same.

Within a year we had

Kotelnik successfully makes his mandatory defense against Maidana.

Maidana wins the WBA Interim title against Ortiz.

Khan wins the full WBA title from Kotelnik.

Khan successfully makes his mandatory defense against Salita.

Now the WBA orders Kahn vs. Maidana to determine one champion.

The WBA also schedules a WBA interim title fight between M´Baye and Decarie (

Basically the WBA has scheduled two mandatories and two interim title fights for one reason only: money.

What should have happened in these 12 months (by WBA rules) was

Kotelnik makes mandatory defense against Maidana
Kotelnik makes voluntary defense against Khan

Meanwhile during the same timeframe G. Jones hasn´t defended his WBA cruiserweight title at all. This of course following the ridiculous situation, in which the WBA had three cruiserweight champions at the same time.

 

No he wasn't, at least by most everyone. They were all undefeated and even those who would have ranked corrales ahead of casa and freitas at the time, did not feel that it was anywhere near a sure thing.

Not a bad post otherwise.

 

Good post. I'm going to steal a lot of this verbatim for the sanctioning body screwups I keep track of on Shant's old board.

 

Pretty much. It's rediculous enough that Maidana had to defend his interim title. However i give them props to them for elling Khan he has to fight Maidana or be stripped.

 

If he wants to be called champion then behave like one. Don't fight for a title to turn around and give it up because you don't want to fight the next guy in line.

And again...what's with the Alexander fight? Last I heard he and Urango were SIGNED to fight on HBO already. If that's changed let me know.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4785723

As far as the "optional" fight bit...if there's a purse bid scheduled for Tuesday, the organization seems to disagree with his having an "optional" fight.

I've been consistent about this...I can't stand guys who cherry pick their way around titles when there are TRUE challenges out there for them. DLH did it early, Jermain Taylor, Juan Diaz. With the exception of Diaz, neither became the fighter they could have been.

I always admired Fernando Vargas because he always wanted to fight the best. Came out the loser each time, but he had the balls to try...oh...he was a world champion earlier than Khan.

If Khan wants a big money fight in Britain...I've got no problem with that. Fight for some bullshit British title. Don't cherry pick your way to a "world" title then opt out of being honorable by defending it.

 

According to this weeks Boxing News, Werren claims that Khan's next fight will 'probably' be Maidana.

Also, to the surprise of no-one:

"My team told me Amir wanted one more fight in England to hype things up then we'd fight at the Garden later in the year"

The words of none other than Paulie Mallinaggi.

MTF ::

 

well i wouldn't read too much into Paulie's comments....sounds like something he's been told just so he can stop pestering them for a while.

I think Warren still wants Maidana because he needs Amir to remain a world champion. The other option would be to fight another current 140 belt holder....i'm not sure that Devon Alexander is an easier fight....he's not got the power or wildness that Maidana brings, but he's got the technical ability and hand speed to trouble Amir.

IBF champ Juan Urango would probably pose the least threat... i'd expect Amir to box circles round him.