Paul Malignaggi: "He's coming in drugged..." His thoughts on Pac vs Clottey

I get what you said, I just don't understand it's point is all. Nobody since Harada had come close to going from 112-126 before or since Pacquiao did it. You had that scrub from Venezuela attempting to do a whole host of things with the help of the WBA.

But who could "attempt" what Pac has done, unless he was sucessful? You can't just grab some random 112 pounder and throw him in with welters, unless he was successful along the way. Thats rare. Very rare. and if we're to believe that these drugs are rampant in the sport, one would assume that this kind of drastic weight changing success would be more common than it is....no?

 

Exactly my point.

 

That's why this random blood testing clause is a thing of beauty, particularly if other clean fighters follow suit,.. it's a way to flush out the rats,.. but still,.. we dont know what it is precisely, that Pacquiao is on, what we do know, is that he's on something, unless someone would like to give the official reason as to why he bucked away from the negotiation table in an instant, for... fear of needles, weakenned from blood samples, superstitious, etc.. which reminds me,..I dont know many fighters, who's skull and hands have grown in a 3 year span, so I presume there aren't many fighters out there who are heavily into the human growth hormones for one, maybe if other midgets ravaged into that potent shit, we could have some more amazing, unprecedented, results.

 

#1. Henry Armstrong did what Pac did against better opposition and in a shorter period of time way back in the 30's...................so it has been done without the use of PED's

Secondly..........if we have a choice between PED's in boxing or having to watch Paulie Malignaggi box, ever again..............I choose the PED's. ::

But seriously, Paulie's hard on the eyes, he really is.

 

Did it ever cross your mind Pacquaio is a once in a generation type of fighter?

Hall of fame trainers don't have him in the top 5 of all time for nothing.

Try stopping your cardio training and see if your head grows...

 

So you stop your cardio training, and your skeleton expands?.. ::

Well,.. he's just been for a 'workout' here,.. and it seems to have only made things worse.

 

By being successful at something no one else has, the most reasonable inference is that it is not accomplished through normal means. Especially, when we all know that PEDs are out there and it makes perfect sense that they could help someone accomplish what is being considered.

 

Not quite, but I see your attempt.

 

Wow. You must lead a very dissapointing life if you suspect things are wrong simply because it happens for the first time.

I worry about what sex was like the first time, mate.

 

I used to like Paulie when he spoke because he would say some real shit.

Now he just comes across as jealous and a fucking idiot.

I remember years ago him saying that Floyd was the best fighter he ever saw add the fact that Pacquiao destroyed Hatton and Cotto and that's the formula for Paulie's hate.

I also wished that Pacquiao would hurt this fool in the ring but he don't deserve the payday. fuck him!

 

::::Oh my, a decent post. I wonder what the response is going to be. I wish I had your patience sometimes Tamantha.

 

Hello Craig. Nice to see you joining us again...

MTF :bears:

 

Is Usain Bolt on drugs too? That's a genuine question BTW

MTF :dunno:

 

CONTEXT, Dude, CONTEXT...

What Other Former Flyweight has Been Offered a Fight w/Dela Or the Financial EQUIVALENT from Bygone Era's???...To REED, the Dela Fight is when the Suspicion Set In, Because Despite Looking BORED & Damn Near AVERAGE @ 130 lbs, Pac was "REJUVENATED" @ 147...Pac-Dela was a "CIRCUS" Fight, let's Remember...The Type of Fight that Virtually NO ONE Gave Pac a Chance of Winning...It had the Stench of a CASH OUT Fight on Pac's Part & SHAMEFUL Matchmaking on Dela's...

Sorry, but this Kind of Drastic Weight Changing Success IS NOT More Common Because Not Many Guys R in the Financial Stratosphere of Dela OR in a Position to Challenge a Former Flyweight to Move Up to Meet them...If More Former Flyweights WERE Given "Lottery Ticket" Chances like that, More of them Likely WOULD Request a "Boost" B 4 Fight Night...




REED:hammert:

 

Usain Bolt has PASSED All Random, Olympic Styled Testing...


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Manny Pac had 40 MILLION Reasons to Consent to RANDOM Testing, but he Refused...



REED:hammert:

 

no he didn't. he had $40MM - ($what he makes against Clottey) - ($what he makes facing PBF subesquent to the Clottey fight)

My guess is, he had everything to gain.

Arum didn't want this fight anyways - not now. He said from the beginning PBF should face Mosley. And hopefully, he'll lose.

 

I would love if this were reversed and Manny DEMANDED that Floyd submit to random testing of the HIV virus because Manny wouldn't want to get aids in the ring based on the thoughts Rick Ross gave us. Manny should also DEMAND that Floyd not cheat AGAIN by coming in overweight, and injecting his hands to numb the pain (cheating in other words).

I just love it when a cheater calls someone who's not cheated, a cheater. Manny wanted a short period to not have blood drawn, big frickin deal, would it not show up in the previous tests or the one IMMEDIATELY after? If I had a 20 day window of no steroid test and tested negative on day one and day 20 you seriously think I'm on them or they really benefited me? A more logical (if Floyd really wanted the fight) move would have been a stipulation that if Manny tested positive after the fight then a huge purse percentage swing would go in Floyd's favor.

I'm just curious if anyone can see this happening with ANY other fighter? Can you see Foreman changing the rules and telling Ali to get tested MY WAY or no fight? Hagler saying no to Hearns until he SUBMITTED to Hagler's NEW WAY of testing? How about Mike Tyson saying he won't fight Holyfield UNTIL he SUBMITS to a new TESTING STANDARD that Tyson just came up with?

It boggles the mind that this whole thing was started by FM SR.

 

How many flyweights do you think would be successful though, roids or no roids?

Like I said, many, many fighters try and fail at the first hurdle or two, long before they would even get the chance to be offered a fight with Oscar.

The reason he was even offered the Oscar fight is because he had moved up to lightweight, so nearer welterweight at least, and fucked David Diaz up.

Look at most other flyweights. They move up and they lose, Mijares, Darchinyan etc.

If it was mainly down to PEDs, we would see more Manny's in boxing, moving up one weight class after the other, destroying almost everyone in their path.

Other flyweights don't get a chance because they fail long before they reach Pacman's level of accomplishments.

 

So? Manny has passed all the boxing tests he has ever taken and has never previously been implicated in any way with PED's.

The argument being presented in this thread is that Manny's achievements are soooooo much greater than 99% of other boxers that he MUST be on drugs. A good comparison is with Bolt, who runs faster than anyone else has ever seen or even imagined, so he must be on drugs too, right? He's just THAT much better than anyone else has ever been that he can't possibly be legit, right?

Well no. He's just a freak of nature and that is why he is better. The same applies to Manny, because otherwise, as MWS and others have already said ad nauseum, there would be hundreds and hundreds of Bolt's running 100m is 9.5 seconds, and hundreds and hundreds of Manny's, knocking people out.

MTF :dunno:

 

Just a little fact for ya. At the SAME age Manny fought at 106 (16), Mayweather was not yet pro, but guess what he weighed at that age?

106.

True story.

 

True, but Manny was slugging it out in the pros with smaller gloves and not wearing headgear.

 

I don't get this shit where Manny is guilty until proven innocent. I just don't see how guys like Outlaw and Kauki are so convinced you'd think they'd bet there life savings on it.

Did Manny just come in the ring and win because he was big? Fuck no. He won based on clean effective punching and sharp crisp punching at that. If you think about it, nothing about Manny is abnormal from when he was at 130 or 135 other than the fact that he's seemed to have improved in skill and confidence. Some might point to his power but even when Manny was stopping guys like Morales and MAB it was because his punches were fast, sharp, and stinging and not based on power because pretty much everyone Manny stopped weren't all wobbly and shit they just got KO'd from accumulation. Hatton is the exception but 1 guy getting KO'd unconcious out of dozens IMO looks more like a fluke than an instance of PED's.

So really once again I ask where is even the suspicion of evidence that Manny is using PED's? I mean it's ridiculous Manny doesn't even get the benefit of the doubt from some of you guys.

 

Uuuuuh, NO...Floyd has Made it CLEAR that he'll Request that Sugar Shane Take Random Testing AND Shane has agREED to that...


REED:hammert:

 

Did Floyd Jump from 130 to 147 in the Span of 2 Fights???...Didn't Think So...



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No but he went from 140 to 154 in the span of 2 fights.

 

He's still covered the same amount of pounds in as many years though. Which means the way Manny has transcended the weightclasses isn't much more extreme than Floyd's journey through the weights. The only difference is Pacman is naturally smaller.

 

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