Paul Malignaggi: "He's coming in drugged..." His thoughts on Pac vs Clottey

Uuuuuuh, Floyd's Last Fight @ 140 was Gatti...Then he Fought Sharmba, Zab & Baldomir ALL @ 147, PRIOR to Facing Dela, when he Weighed 150...

But Don't Let the TRUTH Get in the Way of your Supposition...

REED:mj:

 

So SUCCESSFULLY & VIOLENTLY Going from 130-147 in a 2 Fight Span ISN'T "Extreme"???....& Becoming a BETTER Fighter in that Span ISN'T Suspicious???...



REED::

 

Oh my bad. I saw Sharmba and thought the fight was at 140. Didn't check the weight class, just the year and the opponent. Still it doesn't really matter. Like it has been pointed out, both Manny and Floyd came up through the weights around the same age brackets. Also like I said Manny hasn't demonstrated 1 punch power and he's not winning his fights off of just being big. He's winning off of skill and speed.

 

So the FACT that Manny is Subjected to ARCHAIC Testing is IRRELEVANT to U???...U're Giving Manny Pac EVERY CONCEIVABLE BENEFIT of the Doubt...

The Bolt-Pac Comparison is BOGUS Because Bolt ROUTINELY PASSES the Very Same Testing that Pac TURNED DOWN, even w/40Mil on the Table...If Usain Bolt had 40 mil on the Table & WILLINGLY NEGLECTED to Take Olympic Style Testing, THEN your Point would B Valid...



REED:hammert:

 

It's supernormal, but not necessarily suspicious. It is extreme yes, but not suspicious.

As for becoming a better fighter, whether Manny is on PEDs or not, I don't think PEDs make you a better fighter.

It's a fact that Mosley was on EPO for the second Oscar fight. Did he look better in that fight than the first Oscar fight? I sure as fuck don't think so.

I don't think steroids made Manny more crafty in the ring, with better defense, and a larger repertoire of punches.

Manny seems to be getting better fight by fight. What's the story, he is getting a better supply of roids each fight? Steroids from the future that improve your skill level, defense, and punch variety?

Before Floyd Sr started yapping, not ONE person on this forum voiced any suspicion about Manny whatsoever, or insinuated he might be on roids. Not you, Barristan, Outlander, Kauki, no-one.

It was surprising and extreme the way he thrashed Oscar and Hatton, but not one person on this forum voiced any suspicion.

 

HGH, the drug most people seem to think Pacman is taking, has never been detected by Olympic style testing. And yet, some people seem to think all top athletes are taking PEDs like HGH, including the Olympians that routinely pass the tests.

There is as much evidence of Bolt being on PEDs as Pacquiao - none.

 

Manny's Ability to HURT Bigger Guys & ABSORB Their Shots is Also a Factor...


REED:mj:

 

I've said this before, if there was a drug that could prevent neurons getting shut down from a heavy blow to the head, we'd know about it, because it would be more revolutionary than any other steroid.

No drug does this.

And if such a drug existed, we'd see more fighters in boxing taking shots from bigger men and barely flinching.

 

1nce Again, U're Getting CARRIED AWAY, Mex...U're THE SAME GUY that Accused Manny of Being "Past his Prime & UNmotivated" @ 130...He was a LISTLESS Fighter that had "Lost his FIRE" @ 130, According to YOU...

But Now, MIRACULOUSLY, Manny is IMPROVING & U're Completely UNWILLING to Even Acknowledge that PED's R POSSIBLY to Blame...



REED:dunno:

 

You, Mex, Lb 4 Lb & Others, OBVIOUSLY...


REED:hammert:

 

Agree with you REED, but I think its also possible that because alot of these guys DRAIN themselves to make weight against Manny, his punches have more effect.

Not to mention that I think alot of these guys underestimate Manny because he's small and they think he can't hurt him(Particularly true with guys like Hatton and Cotto), so they come in wide open and repeatedly get tagged by shots from weird angles they don't see.

Just some of my thoughts, really.

 

Manny always threw fast sharp punches. That's usually going to hurt regardless of the weight. Especially when you factor in Manny always had good power and that he has big hands.

As for absorbing shots, Oscar wasn't a big puncher and was supposed to be weight drained anyway. Same with Hatton who only lasted 2 rds. Only guy really a big puncher was Cotto and Manny's face was pretty smashed up too. Not to mention Manny said the punches hurt but that he had to pretend they didn't and he had a busted eardrum. Would it have relieved some suspicions if Manny had been dropped once or twice? :dunno:

 

Sorry, but REED ISN'T Giving Floyd EVERY SINGLE Benefit of the Doubt...U have REED Confused w/rjjp4pno1...PAC SAC Swingers R Doing that...



REED:hammert:

 

No fighter maintains their hunger throughout the whole of their career. Everyone has ebbs and flows and Manny is no different. You're acting like Pac was Mosley's age. He isn't at an age where anyone expected him to be shot, nor surprised that he made a come back.

 

That's true, he totally lost his fire. I was as amazed as anyone else that he suddenly seemed to be peaking at a higher weight class.

I didn't immediately think of PEDs though, at all. Part of why he looked so good was a rejuvenated passion, improved skill, craft, defense, etc.

I was amazed by how he had retained his speed at welterweight, but if you look back at the threads, I was equally amazed at how crafty he looked, how his defense and movement had improved etc.

You think steroids did that? Come on.

Also, where did you get the idea that I'm unwilling to even acknowledge that he is possibly using PEDs? I've said loads of times, I acknowledge there is a possibility that Pacman is roiding it up to the max.

But without evidence or a confession, it's just that, a possibility - and before this whole fiasco, it didn't even cross my mind (or it seems, most of your minds).

 

You're right, I am. It's called 'the presumption of innocence'.

MTF

 

Exactly. Me and you both have mentioned this on more than one occasion yet nobody seems to remember. I think they'd prefer it if we were on a stance like they were, where there is no doubt in what they believe.

 

I saw a video of Nonito Donaire dropping a middleweight with 1 punch.

There's no doubt Manny's punches have a lot of force behind them, but I think part of his success at 147, is hitting guys with punches that are just faster and more unpredictable than they are used to.

 

Here's the Thing, the ONLY Thing that Makes REED SUSPECT Manny is Using PED's is his RELUCTANCE to Undergo Olympic Style Testing...When there's NATHAN To Hide, Guys Usually JUMP @ the Chance to CLEAR their Name...Hell, they INSIST Upon it...

N this Day & Age, NO Athlete Should B Trusted Based Merely on FACE VALUE...N the 'Court' Of PUBLIC Opinion, Athletes have Proven BEYOND a Reasonable Doubt that they WILL CHEAT...So SPARE REED All that "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" BULLSHIT...

N Sports, the Onus in on the Athlete to PROVE that he ISN'T Cheating...



REED:hammert:

 

I know, it's fucking weird. I remember you've said it too. And people are acting like we've staunchly refused to even contemplate the possibility of Manny being on PEDs.

If anything, it's the Floyd fans that seem to be adamently refusing to acknowledge the possibility that Floyd is a bitch, and that this was just a ploy to get out of the fight.

The only fact in this situation is that both ideas are just speculation. We don't know anything for sure. Well, other than Floyd has actually taken steroids for his hands, and has managed to only fight 1 legit welterweight in his 5 years of campaigning at the weight :kidcool:

 

So the Hatton Fight WASN'T an Example of "Devastating Power"???...


REED::

 

That video is awesome. Nonito chin checking a guy who outweighs him by 50 pounds. It was a fast sharp punch too, not a big clubbing punch.

 

Exactly.They fail for listening to an crackhead with one foot in the grave.

 

Manny has always hit VERY hard. I remember having an argument here with quite a few people before the Pac-Hatton fight where I defended my position in saying that Manny hits harder than 98% of fighters today P4P.

I mean, I could understand the amazement and suspicion if Manny had traditionally thrown girly love tap punches, but he hasn't. He's been kicking the shit out of people for years, ever since his fight with Ledwaba (who he bounced around, what, five times?) in fact.

Pac's left hand has always been an extremely concussive power shot. Always. Some of the best fighters in the world at the smaller weights in the last ten years have been seriously hurt by it: Barerra, Morales, JMM, Ledwaba etc etc

When you carry that power through weights, as Manny has, and couple it with his natural speed advantage over natural 140 and 147lb-ers like Hatton and Cotto, that power is magnified, because these bigger, slower guys have neither the reflexes to move nor the speed to forsee his punches.

This seems straightforward to me, at least. I can't believe ANYONE is trying to cite Manny's KO record at the higher weights as 'proof' of his drug usage. The guy has been knocking people the fuck out for YEARS.

MTF :dunno: